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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As for the OP, yes people are attacking Christmas. Anytime any group wants to get rid of X-mas decorations from any public place it is an attack on Christmas. Anytime that a teacher is not allowed to say "Merry Christmas" it is an attack on Christmas. Now you can say that I'm useing the wrong word or that I'm overreacting or that I'm using hyperbole, but just remember, what you consider an attack and what I consider an attack may be two different things.
    Do they want to get rid of Christmas decorations to make room for Hanukkah decorations? Is the teacher told not to say Merry Christmas because the only acceptable holiday greeting is Happy Quanza?

    It's not an attack on Christmas. It's an attack on even the vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Translation: the public square must be atheist. You can be religious behind closed doors.
    well, I see a problem here.... mainly one of ignoring the whole of the first amendment.

    I don't find it as simple as "this is a religious symbol, therefore it's outlawed on public land".. I don't think atheism should be enforced to the nth degree by the government either.

    I don't find that a nativity scene ( or other Christmas symbol ), in a public square, necessarily equates to government endorsement of Christianity...
    I do believe that such things, that surround specific holidays, are fine..... i'm also fine with a menorah being on display for Hannukah.. or some form of blank monument denoting atheism ( not sure what kind of symbol atheists would have to celebrate Christmas, if any)

    now when we get into having the 10 commandments hanging in a courthouse... well yeah, I can see the establishment clause coming it effect.. as their is a certain permanency to the display and it absolutely comes off as the court supporting Christianity on an established basis.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Translation: the public square must be atheist. You can be religious behind closed doors.
    No. You can be religious however openly you want. You're just not supposed to put up a nativity scene in front of the state house or any other government establishment. Seems pretty fair to me.

    And of course people celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday. That doesn't mean they don't get caught up in the consumerism. I guarantee that almost none of these people look forward to telling the story of Jesus every Christmas.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by SirNegroIII View Post
    No. You can be religious however openly you want. You're just not supposed to put up a nativity scene in front of the state house or any other government establishment. Seems pretty fair to me.

    And of course people celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday. That doesn't mean they don't get caught up in the consumerism. I guarantee that almost none of these people look forward to telling the story of Jesus every Christmas.
    .. that's a pretty hefty guarantee there dude... and one that is most likely false.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Do they want to get rid of Christmas decorations to make room for Hanukkah decorations? Is the teacher told not to say Merry Christmas because the only acceptable holiday greeting is Happy Quanza?

    It's not an attack on Christmas. It's an attack on even the vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion.
    I call BS. Thier goal is not to avoid the "vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion." Thier goal is to get rid of religion period.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    .. that's a pretty hefty guarantee there dude... and one that is most likely false.
    I highly doubt it's false. The thing people like most about christmas is giving and receiving gifts. Jesus is just a convenient gimmick when it comes to Christmas.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh look, another post attacking the "conservative" base when the topic has nothing to do with conservatism....or any other political party at that.

    As for the OP, yes people are attacking Christmas. Anytime any group wants to get rid of X-mas decorations from any public place it is an attack on Christmas. Anytime that a teacher is not allowed to say "Merry Christmas" it is an attack on Christmas. Now you can say that I'm useing the wrong word or that I'm overreacting or that I'm using hyperbole, but just remember, what you consider an attack and what I consider an attack may be two different things.

    Nativity scene in Texas under attack

    The following pic gotten from Freedom from Religion website...

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    News flash...it is conservatives in general and the religious conservative base in particular that is pronouncing this so called war on Christmas. It is another invented wedge issue that has little or no basis in fact.

    You are free to consider whatever you want an "attack." I am free to point out how that so called "attack" is not based on any facts and is a falacious argument. It is an argument soley devised to energize people against a mythical "them." Your supposed proof of this said "attack" is a demand letter sent from an obscure group to have a creche removed. Really...again the proof is wanting to say the least. On the other hand, I think you are attacking Christmas by using the X-mas term. You are trying to remove Christ from Christmas. This is how rediculous this argument is becoming.

    Your stated proof just goes to further my argument that this so-called "attack" or "War" on Christmas is based on little or no evidence. It is made controversy being used by conservatives and in particular religious conservatives to advance their cause.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Translation: the public square must be atheist. You can be religious behind closed doors.
    Nope. Not what ACLU believes at all, though I see where you got that misunderstanding.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As for the OP, yes people are attacking Christmas. Anytime any group wants to get rid of X-mas decorations from any public place it is an attack on Christmas.
    Not if the public place is a place that signifies the display is an official government one, such as in a courthouse or something like that. In that case, it could (but still isn't always) a forbidden establishment of religion.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I call BS. Thier goal is not to avoid the "vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion." Thier goal is to get rid of religion period.
    I call a much larger, steamier pile of BS.
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