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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

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    Would like to see details if you have them.
    Here's one case in Louisiana that shows basically the same thing.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

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    So if I go to the religious fora and attack Christmas what will happen?
    Nothing that has anything to do with the first amendment. So are you going to present any actual evidence that there is some war on christmas?
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You should of course be able to show the lawsuit to us since it is public information.
    Just to note. He said threatened. The ACLU does do this in many cases. Some I agree with them on, some I don't.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Here's one case in Louisiana that shows basically the same thing.

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    Case is from 2004, involved a nativity scene in a library, school sponsored religious caroling and school led prayer before events. Case was settled, with the ACLU dropping the case and the school agreeing to more closely abide by the law as best I can tell. Both sides claimed victory and the only info I am finding is their statements. Case is called McBride v. Bossier Parish School Board.

    So you managed to find one case from 7 years ago that is not quite what you represented, linked to a very biased site to talk about it, and you think this proves what?
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Here's one case in Louisiana that shows basically the same thing.

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    Thanks, but I'd like an objective source. Maybe I can track one down from this though. I did find an ACLU report that said there was a settlement, which isn't the same thing as a win or loss.

    This source doesn't say anything about whether the ACLU was suing only over Christian activities and not others, as claimed in the earlier post.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Just to note. He said threatened. The ACLU does do this in many cases. Some I agree with them on, some I don't.
    This case wasn't just "threatened," it was filed and pursued in a court.

    Oh, and I just noticed from the source posted here - the suit ended only because the kids whose parents were suing moved out of state.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Case is from 2004, involved a nativity scene in a library, school sponsored religious caroling and school led prayer before events. Case was settled, with the ACLU dropping the case and the school agreeing to more closely abide by the law as best I can tell. Both sides claimed victory and the only info I am finding is their statements. Case is called McBride v. Bossier Parish School Board.


    The case was dropped because the schools lawyers asked for a dismissal and got it because the parents (and therefore the kids) moved and no longer to go to that school. IE the ACLU had no more standing. And the school did not agree to "more closely abide by the laws". They re-affirmed that they would continue to do the same thing that they had been doing. Which is basically to allow the celebration of all religions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you managed to find one case from 7 years ago that is not quite what you represented, linked to a very biased site to talk about it, and you think this proves what?
    So an ACLU site is acceptable but my site isn't....why? As for the timeline...so what?
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

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    Let us consider the many myths of Christmas:

    First, Christmas is not the anniversary of the birth of Christ. It is merely an arbitrary celebration of his birth. No one knows exactly when Christ was born, but most scholars believe it was in the spring, perhaps as late as May. The Catholic Church hi-jacked a pagan celebration of the winter solstice and declared it the birth of Christ. Frankly, there is a very good case for such pagans to rightfully tell us all to get the Christ out. Second, true Christians (which are a very small subset of those that think of themselves as Christians) should take offense at 1) the idea that the birth of Christ should be celebrated on a single day; 2) that such a day is so overrun with materialism, as this is completely against anything Christ taught (he spoke of worrying about your treasures in heaven and renouncing your treasures on earth), and 3) the birth of Christ being more remarkable than his death and resurrection.

    I consider myself a strong Christian. As my faith has grown, my thinking of Christmas as some type of high holy day has been greatly diminished. I celebrate the birth, but far more importantly the death and resurrection of Christ every single day, with no day any more significant than the other. The idea of Christmas, as it has become in 21st Century America, really having much to do with Christ, I am increasingly finding almost offensive.

    That all said, we do use Christmas, in our family, to tell the biblical story of the birth of Christ. But, I think of it much more as a family day, but enjoy the tradition. To me, it is an excuse (or powerful rallying point) to teach the word, drawing sharp contrast to Christ's intention for us and how we treat the day.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Thanks, but I'd like an objective source. Maybe I can track one down from this though. I did find an ACLU report that said there was a settlement, which isn't the same thing as a win or loss.
    So my site isn't objective and yet when defending the ACLU it is ok to use an ACLU website....why?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This source doesn't say anything about whether the ACLU was suing only over Christian activities and not others, as claimed in the earlier post.
    The site shows that the school....""Bossier Parish school officials have repeatedly shown their resolve to respect the law and the religious beliefs of all of their students and personnel."" Which obviously includes other activities...and yet there is only an "uproar" when it came Christmas time....Most likely explanation for 500 Alex?
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well so long as you keep your Christ out of my Christmas, I don't give a ****.
    Kind of hard to do considering the very word has "Christ" in it.
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