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8 Year old catches Bachmann off guard...

So when all is said and done you have no proof and just assumptions.

Sorry, Kal, but that's not going to work to well. It takes common sense to realize that the mother coached her kid to say that, just as a WBC parent coaches their children to hold up such signs.
 
Sorry, Kal, but that's not going to work to well. It takes common sense to realize that the mother coached her kid to say that, just as a WBC parent coaches their children to hold up such signs.

Common sense does not always coincide with reality. If it did then no one would ever have anything to debate.
 
Prove that he was coached.

That's absurd. It takes common sense.

I suppose in your view we should assume every small toddler and child thinks of and fully understands such concepts? Whatever happened to children being innocent and not understanding the more complex ideals we older folk deal with? How telling, Kal'Stang.
 
The hyperpartisan drivel in this thread is astounding.

Regardless of beliefs, you don't coach an innocent child and use him/her as a pawn.

I agree with the premise of your comment. I think people seriously underestimate what an 8 year old is capable of however. They are way smarter than many here give them credit for being. Do I think an 8 year old is capable of this on his or her own? Yes I do.

Is that the case here? Well that really is the question isn't it?
 
That's absurd. It takes common sense.

I suppose in your view we should assume every small toddler and child thinks of and fully understands such concepts? Whatever happened to children being innocent and not understanding the more complex ideals we older folk deal with? How telling, Kal'Stang.

Wait...two posts off of my one? hmm...

And perhaps you are asigning him your complex thoughts when he has no such thoughts? Perhaps his thoughts are simply that his mommy doesn't need fixed?
 
I agree with the premise of your comment. I think people seriously underestimate what an 8 year old is capable of however. They are way smarter than many here give them credit for being. Do I think an 8 year old is capable of this on his or her own? Yes I do.

Is that the case here? Well that really is the question isn't it?

Is a child of 8 years capable of understanding communism or any other ideology? Capable of understanding the ongoing philosophical fissure know as homosexuality? No, I think not. A child, an innocent one at that, would not come to the mental crossroads of whether or not homosexuality is something natural/unnatural/something to be fixed. A child raised with a gay mother would say, "I have two mommie," yet not understand the underlying reasons or conceivable of what is and isn't fixable. A lesbian mother who despises Bachmann for her views on homosexuality, well, is not innocent and undoubtedly understands such conceptual details.
 
Wait...two posts off of my one? hmm...

And perhaps you are asigning him your complex thoughts when he has no such thoughts? Perhaps his thoughts are simply that his mommy doesn't need fixed?

Kid's an innocent kid, and doesn't have the capacity to understand such philosophical concepts. You may as well argue that the children of the WBC "get it" internally, and aren't being manipulated one iota.

What utter hogwash.
 
Is a child of 8 years capable of understanding communism or any other ideology? Capable of understanding the ongoing philosophical fissure know as homosexuality? No, I think not. A child, an innocent one at that, would not come to the mental crossroads of whether or not homosexuality is something natural/unnatural/something to be fixed. A child raised with a gay mother would say, "I have two mommie," yet not understand the underlying reasons or conceivable of what is and isn't fixable. A lesbian mother who despises Bachmann for her views on homosexuality, well, is not innocent and undoubtedly understands such conceptual details.

In 3rd grade children are taught...

The third grade social studies curriculum contains 107 lessons, 6 worksheets and 63 quizzes, organized into 9 chapters:
1.Vikings - Teaches the characteristics, culture, and influences of the Viking people. Lessons include activities on occupations, culture, shipbuilding, and Viking personalities.

2.Alaskan Inuits - Teaches about the way of life of the Alaskan Inuits. Lessons include geography, language, family and group life, shelter, and culture.

3.The World in Spatial Terms - Students will gain an overview of the world in spatial terms by describing geographical patterns, location, and interrelationships of the major physical features of the Earth’s surface. Lessons will include geography, latitude and longitude, adaptation of environment, and locating specific land forms in North America and Europe.

4.Exploration of the Americas - Teaches about the history of the United States during the early years of exploration and discovery. Lessons include reasons for exploration, Columbus’ journey, Ponce de Leon, the Seven Cities of Cibola, and other North American explorations.

5.North American Colonization - Teaches about the early years of colonization in the United States. Lessons will include the reasons for colonization, early settlers, migration, and colonial life.

6.Rural, Suburban & Urban Region - Students learn about of the people, events, and characteristics, of rural, urban, and suburban regions in the United States. Students are asked to compare and contrast different types of communities and describe the relationships of each to the others.

7.Economics - Students will learn basic concepts and characteristics of economics. Lessons include earning and spending money, employee/employers relationships, natural resources, imports/exports, and production of goods.

8.Citizenship and Government - Students learn basic characteristics of citizenship and the role of government at the local and state levels. Lessons will include purpose of government, heads of government, town meetings, and community leaders.

9.Chronology - Students will learn about the basic concepts of time and chronology by reading and constructing timelines.

Third Grade Social Studies

If they're learning all of this...why couldn't they make the leap into saying that thier mommy doesn't need fixed?

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Kid's an innocent kid, and doesn't have the capacity to understand such philosophical concepts. You may as well argue that the children of the WBC "get it" internally, and aren't being manipulated one iota.

What utter hogwash.

Really? Then why is it that right around that time I was able to understand by myself that studying people, thier emotions, and reactions to various stimuli could be good for me?
 
The hyperpartisan drivel in this thread is astounding.

Regardless of beliefs, you don't coach an innocent child and use him/her as a pawn.

Pawn's don't stand up to bullies.

The child got to see the monster Bachmann leap back in shock as she was confronted by a child harmed by her prior bad acts and hateful words.

"You've hurt my family, you've hurt me. But I'm not afraid of you."

Why didn't the brave and 'christian' Bachmann follow the mother and her son and ask to talk to them further? She's a coward, too afraid to admit what goes on in her own family.
 
Pawn's don't stand up to bullies.

The child got to see the monster Bachmann leap back in shock as she was confronted by a child harmed by her prior bad acts and hateful words.

"You've hurt my family, you've hurt me. But I'm not afraid of you."

Why didn't the brave and 'christian' Bachmann follow the mother and her son and ask to talk to them further? She's a coward, too afraid to admit what goes on in her own family.

Sorry, but I'm looking for something far more objective to discourse.

The child was no "brave, thoughtful, and courageous hero" as you so love to portray.

Bachmann was no "horrible, cowardly, and evil fiend" as you say, either.

Ridiculous.
 
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Not really. I've just talked about possibilities. You are the one that has talked as if your view is factual.

you've just talked of possibilities.. while discounting the most plausible possibility.

I'm fine with differing opinions.. but yours and Hazlnuts are a bit off the reservation
 
The point has been made in the YouTube comments:

Who has all the political power and media access?

When she went on Glenn Beck to portray herself as a victim, unfairly cast as a homophobe, WHO was using the little boy as a pawn?

The mother was teaching her child courage and confidence to stand up for what is right, using her iphone camera to inspire others to do the same, confront bigotry and homophobia.

Who is now portraying herself as the victim?
 
The point has been made in the YouTube comments:

Who has all the political power and media access?

When she went on Glenn Beck to portray herself as a victim, unfairly cast as a homophobe, WHO was using the little boy as a pawn?

The mother was teaching her child courage and confidence to stand up for what is right, using her iphone camera to inspire others to do the same, confront bigotry and homophobia.

Who is now portraying herself as the victim?

I will cut through the bias surrounding this issue like a hot knife through butter.

The child was no hero. Bachmann was no hero. The boy was undoubtedly prompted by his mother to make a point that his mother just happened to film perfectly on her phone. If Bachmann uses this incident to rally her biased support, then that is her problem. This is an unfortunate event of a biased mother using her kid to make a statement, and, if it is what it is, Bachmann is using this, after the fact, as a tool to gain support, then she is also as bad as the kid's mother.

Protip: Don't use your children to make our message for you.
 
I will cut through the bias surrounding this issue like a hot knife through butter.

The child was no hero. Bachmann was no hero. The boy was undoubtedly prompted by his mother to make a point that his mother just happened to film perfectly on her phone. If Bachmann uses this incident to rally her biased support, then that is her problem. This is an unfortunate event of a biased mother using her kid to make a statement, and, if it is what it is, Bachmann is using this, after the fact, as a tool to gain support, then she is also as bad as the kid's mother.

Protip: Don't use your children to make our message for you.

Unless the message is children of gay couples need to be confident and stand up bigoted bullies. When the monster Bachmann shrinked back in horror, the boy gained the confidence he'll need to stand up to the next homophobic a-hole he meets.
 
Unless the message is children of gay couples need to be confident and stand up bigoted bullies. When the monster Bachmann shrinked back in horror, the boy gained the confidence he'll need to stand up to the next homophobic a-hole he meets.

how many times have you used your children to confront a-holes?
 
Unless the message is children of gay couples need to be confident and stand up bigoted bullies. When the monster Bachmann shrinked back in horror, the boy gained the confidence he'll need to stand up to the next homophobic a-hole he meets.

Is that the message you're fabricating?

That is not the message, hazlnut.

I hope you are being sarcastic when you refer to Bachmann as a monster shrinking back in horror. For the sake of credibility, I hope you're not serious.
 
how many times have you used your children to confront a-holes?

Your contentions that the child was put up to it are merely that. No more, no less.
 
It seemed like the kid was coached to me. But I really hope it turns out he wasnt.
 
It seemed like the kid was coached to me. But I really hope it turns out he wasnt.

Of course he was. All kids are coached to say and do all sorts of things. No big deal. I think it's great this mom is teaching her kid to speak up against asshole politicians like Bachmann.
 
Of course he was. All kids are coached to say and do all sorts of things. No big deal. I think it's great this mom is teaching her kid to speak up against asshole politicians like Bachmann.

Well im not a big fan of putting words in a kids mouth to make a point I should be making myself.
 
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