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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Ya know I have a 100k defibullator / pace maker in my chest. It has gone off twice.

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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Everyone will die at some point, and medical care can prolong that process. Currently we do not limit this in any meaningful sense. The fact that we don't is what allows prices to climb.
    I agree here.
    What's needed then is to separate health insurance (which guards against unlikely risks) from this other thing which sets out to redistribute money to pay for UNIVERSAL INEVITABILITIES by taking from the current workforce to prolong the lives and make comfortable the deaths of the elderly (this is Medicare, the least affordable program in our nation's history).
    I would like to point out the inevitable aging process isn't just the death bed, it's hitting mid-life where you end up paying for things life...heart medication, when you have back problems etc.

    Let me just list my rational...I know we have different beliefs regarding Government intervention in anything, I don't care if it works and it seems like you're distrustful from the outset.

    Any young person that is healthy has an incentive not to buy insurance. He's young, the likelyhood of needing it is low. Either he doesn't buy or just buys the lowest he possibly can for that extreme case. When he's older, and will need it...is when he buys the more expensive variety. If everyone does this (and it seems to be the case) then your pool of premium payers are just the most expensive individuals..those that need the most healthcare.

    If all young individuals buy insurance...even if they don't need it currently (because they will need it in their older age) then the risk is broandened and all cost goes down. Now the individual mandate tries to do this, everybody buys in and the costs for all premiums should decrease because now you have more healthy individuals subsidizing the older population.

    I personally would prefer it to go through government...so that it's transportable, there's less administrative costs for both hospitals and the actual insurance company (govt has less administrative costs than private insurance).

    That's where i'm coming from. As for those without the means to pay it can be offered. As for any additional insurance you want to buy, well private insurance companies are out there to supplment...just like they do with Medicare.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Just noting that a similar idea is already happening. Which probably means it was a good idea.
    Well, part of my idea came from the implementation in NC. In abiding with Obamacare, they started their own program in lieu of the federal one. It allows me to get health care at a fair, but not absurdly cheap, price. Thanks for pointing out this comparison, as well

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I don't think that's a concern, but it's not really the employers banding together. In any event, the insurers don't mind - they want bigger groups so they can spread the costs. That's how insurance works, and stays affordable.
    I'm sure the insurers don't mind having a bigger pool, but I actually think that part of our current cost problem is due to having employers in between the supply and demand. My anti-trust statement was actually in regard to competing over employees rather than competing to fill a demand. These are both based on a personal belief, though, and hard for me to back up, so I won't really argue them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I agree here.


    I would like to point out the inevitable aging process isn't just the death bed, it's hitting mid-life where you end up paying for things life...heart medication, when you have back problems etc.

    Let me just list my rational...I know we have different beliefs regarding Government intervention in anything, I don't care if it works and it seems like you're distrustful from the outset.

    Any young person that is healthy has an incentive not to buy insurance. He's young, the likelyhood of needing it is low. Either he doesn't buy or just buys the lowest he possibly can for that extreme case. When he's older, and will need it...is when he buys the more expensive variety. If everyone does this (and it seems to be the case) then your pool of premium payers are just the most expensive individuals..those that need the most healthcare.

    If all young individuals buy insurance...even if they don't need it currently (because they will need it in their older age) then the risk is broandened and all cost goes down.
    Not all costs. Average cost of an insurance premium goes down, but total US dollars going toward health care doesn't change, and cost of medical care does not necessarily change.

    You think you're addressing costs, but you're just advocating spreading it out to more people. Against their will.

    I don't want a system that relies on the young and healthy to fund the needs of the sick and elderly. I find it fundamentally flawed and culturally irresponsible to rely on our future generations to provide for our welfare and for things we should do for ourselves. That's what Medicare does and financially it's not working. That's also what SS does and it too needs fixing.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Well there are plus and minuses to anything that has to do with America's healthcare system. Personally I think they should have just gone single payer. They would have been able to do that I think if the economy wasn't a pile of **** when Obama came into office. I got insurance but meh.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Well there are plus and minuses to anything that has to do with America's healthcare system. Personally I think they should have just gone single payer. They would have been able to do that I think if the economy wasn't a pile of **** when Obama came into office.
    Yeah it's an unfortunate reality that you can't undertake the biggest government entitlement maneuver the same couple years that you experience a once-in-three-generations credit contraction. Darn.

    But in a certain sense, you're right that nationalizing the entirety of it would be better than pretending our federal government can mandate that each citizen purchase a product from a private company. THAT is a joke. How TF can ANYBODY defend Obama on those grounds?

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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Precisely. Solving this problem means you're not getting reelected.
    Exactly. And who can argue with that? If you don't get re-elected, how can you solve any other problem? And if you don't, does that mean you did something right if the voters reject you? Usually that means you failed.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    You think you're addressing costs, but you're just advocating spreading it out to more people. Against their will.
    Spreading costs addresses cost.

    And you can't say it's against everyone's will. Millions don't have insurance because they can't afford it, not because they don't want it. If you subsidize it, that changes.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, how would you do it?
    Basically I would have taken the exisitng Medicare and Medicaid programs and combined, expanded and streamlined them to provide care to those who can't afford insurance. Those who could afford payment would pay a monthly premium based on their finances. I would eliminate the prrescription drug program and establish a new program within Medicaid that wasn't a blanket coverage program for everybody.

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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Yes, and I have personally seen many impacted by their higher premiums due to Obama care and the overhaul of HSA spending rules.
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