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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    If she elected to drop her insurance and now expects someone else to pick up her bills, is she not a freeloader?
    From the article it seems as if she's paid to an insurance provider her whole life. Recent events made her drop insurance. That's entirely the issue. If I pay insurance premiums my whole life...lose my job and am uninsured for a short period of time...am I a free loader? No, it's bad timing and is a flaw in the private insurance system. Humana doesn't care if I paid to CIGNA my whole life.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    From the article it seems as if she's paid to an insurance provider her whole life. Recent events made her drop insurance. That's entirely the issue. If I pay insurance premiums my whole life...lose my job and am uninsured for a short period of time...am I a free loader? No, it's bad timing and is a flaw in the private insurance system. Humana doesn't care if I paid to CIGNA my whole life.
    I'm not arguing right or wrong. I'm suggesting that expecting someone else pay your bills is the definition of freeloading.

    FWIW, she did not pay her provider her whole life. If she had, she would have had insurance when she needed it, and this thread would have no meaning. She elected to gamble her wellness against her home, and lost.

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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    If she elected to drop her insurance and now expects someone else to pick up her bills, is she not a freeloader?
    She isn't expecting someone else to pick up her bills. She just wanted to buy insurance without being excluded from doing so.

    You bring up a good point though - with no pre-existing condition exclusions, someone could just wait until they are sick and then buy insurance, though that didn't seem to be her intent here. The answer to that problem was...the mandate requiring everyone to buy insurance.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    You can still be against Obama care and for some type of government assited healthcare system. If I could design a system she would be covered but it wouldn't be Obama care.

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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    She isn't expecting someone else to pick up her bills. She just wanted to buy insurance without being excluded from doing so.

    You bring up a good point though - with no pre-existing condition exclusions, someone could just wait until they are sick and then buy insurance, though that didn't seem to be her intent here. The answer to that problem was...the mandate requiring everyone to buy insurance.
    She is in fact expecting the taxpayer to pay her bills even though if her insurance had been kept up, there would have been no preexisting problem. She did in fact wait until she needed the insurance to elect to pay for it. Now with the payment of a small fee, she will be able to incur a major expense on the taxpayers dollar.

    As to your mandate argument, the government has no right to make my risk/reward decisions. Right or wrong, I have the right to make them, and accept the consequences and/or rewards.

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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    You can still be against Obama care and for some type of government assited healthcare system. If I could design a system she would be covered but it wouldn't be Obama care.
    I agree...I'm not a big fan of Obamacare. It's basically a handout to private insurers. At the same time....it supposedly was the only thing that would get support from Conservatives being a former Conservative plan. He should of just said "fu** ya'll we're going public option".
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by jambalaya View Post
    You can still be against Obama care and for some type of government assited healthcare system. If I could design a system she would be covered but it wouldn't be Obama care.
    Okay, how would you do it?
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I agree...I'm not a big fan of Obamacare. It's basically a handout to private insurers. At the same time....it supposedly was the only thing that would get support from Conservatives being a former Conservative plan. He should of just said "fu** ya'll we're going public option".
    Agree. It was a compromise that pleased nobody and probably won't work.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    she did not pay her provider her whole life. If she had, she would have had insurance when she needed it, and this thread would have no meaning
    Of course...I mentioned she had to drop insurance due to financial problems. She paid earlier in her life...when she was healthy...which is the point of insurance. The moment she drops it..bang breast cancer. For almost her entire life...she did the right thing, pay insurance premiums incase she has a problem. When she needs it the most, she doesn't have it.

    It's a pretty messed up system.

    She elected to gamble her wellness against her home, and lost.
    I don't know if that's a gamble as much as being a rational human being.
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    Re: Woman Who Attacked ObamaCare Apologizes After Breast Cancer Diagnosis

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course...I mentioned she had to drop insurance due to financial problems. She paid earlier in her life...when she was healthy...which is the point of insurance. The moment she drops it..bang breast cancer. For almost her entire life...she did the right thing, pay insurance premiums incase she has a problem. When she needs it the most, she doesn't have it.
    I don't know if that's a gamble as much as being a rational human being.
    It's a pretty messed up system.

    Again, I am not arguing right or wrong, moral or immoral, compassionate or non compassionate. I just used your words, which stated that having someone else pay your bills is not freeloading, that your whole life means earlier in life, and now that making a choice to drop your insurance, knowing that you will not be able to reinstate if you suddenly need it is not a gamble. It is in this case the ultimate gamble, unless you can get someone else to pay your bookie.

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