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CaptainCourtesy said:
And of course, as is your MO... you refused to define the term. The only one here dodging is you, simply because every time you present an argument, I obliterate it.



Define normal.
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Ahh I had you pegged perfectly my good captain...you got nuttin...all you have is redundant rhetoric and your opinion which is worth nothing more than anyone elses...Ive answered that question 4 times...now its up to you to answer

DEFINE HOW HOMOSEXUALITY is normal....
 
Empirica said:
Questions on a loop require answers on a loop

I for one am tired of looping answers

My final loop will be, "count me out".
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When you refuse to answer simple questions, they will be repeated. There are only two reasons you would refuse. Either you don't know the answer or you know that the answer torpedos your position. Your presentation gives the perception that either could be the case.
 
lpast said:
Ahh I had you pegged perfectly my good captain...you got nuttin...all you have is redundant rhetoric and your opinion which is worth nothing more than anyone elses...Ive answered that question 4 times...now its up to you to answer

DEFINE HOW HOMOSEXUALITY is normal....
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This is not how it works. I have asked you to define normal, REPEATEDLY. You have either refused or given contradictory definitions. You define normal. I'll answer your question.
 
Top Cat said:
Sounds like a pretty "normal" Baptist Church to me.
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It was in fact a baptist church, and I do have rather unresolved hostility issues towards baptists.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This is not how it works. I have asked you to define normal, REPEATEDLY. You have either refused or given contradictory definitions. You define normal. I'll answer your question.
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Absolutely not true, I have answered the question 4 times identically, you dishonesty will not change that nor your lack of ability to answer my question in turn. This does not work YOUR way, to my knowledge no one has died yet and left you in charge of specifically how this conversation flows. Now once again

Define how homosexuality is normal
 
lpast said:
Absolutely not true, I have answered the question 4 times identically, you dishonesty will not change that nor your lack of ability to answer my question in turn. This does not work YOUR way, to my knowledge no one has died yet and left you in charge of specifically how this conversation flows. Now once again

Define how homosexuality is normal
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That's not a question for a definition, it's how a circumstance fits a definition. A definition would be in a question like, say "define normal."
 
lpast said:
Absolutely not true, I have answered the question 4 times identically, you dishonesty will not change that nor your lack of ability to answer my question in turn. This does not work YOUR way, to my knowledge no one has died yet and left you in charge of specifically how this conversation flows. Now once again

Define how homosexuality is normal
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No, you have NOT answered my question... even in THIS thread you contradicted yourself. You defined normal in statistical terms, then denied that being Jewish was not normal. You need to identify a definition of normal that applies, universally and contextually, as definitions do. THEN I will answer your question.

Define normal.
 
Redress said:
I had it explained to me, in church, in front of the whole congregation including my younger sister(I was 7, she was 6) that my mom was going to burn in hell for her perversions. Yes, young people do know, even if they don't really understand.
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Yup... in the words of Gandhi “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
 
lpast said:
Ahh I had you pegged perfectly my good captain...you got nuttin...all you have is redundant rhetoric and your opinion which is worth nothing more than anyone elses...Ive answered that question 4 times...now its up to you to answer

DEFINE HOW HOMOSEXUALITY is normal....
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Post #683 answered your question but you ignored it.
 
Redress said:
It was in fact a baptist church, and I do have rather unresolved hostility issues towards baptists.
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LOL. well I'm a recovering Catholic...we have our guilt issues as well.

I love that **** Happens Poster.

The Catholic one reads...**** happens and it's all our fault.
The Baptist one Reads, "If this **** happens again, they'll be hell to pay"
the Islam one reads, "If **** happens, take a hostage"

Here's a similar one...

http://4umi.com/****
 
Homosexual bashing and discrimiantion has taken over from African-American bashing for the right wing. Oh they still hate blacks and other minorities, they just hate gays more. What a despicable political philosophy.
 
Oh the horror!!!!!

[h=1]Marissa Gaeta And Citlalic Snell, U.S. Naval Petty Officers, Share First Same-Sex Kiss At Ship's Return[/h]GAY-NAVY-KISS.jpg

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- A Navy tradition caught up with the repeal of the U.S. military's "don't ask, don't tell" rule on Wednesday when two women sailors became the first to share the coveted "first kiss" on the pier after one of them returned from 80 days at sea.Petty Officer 2nd Class Marissa Gaeta of Placerville, Calif., descended from the USS Oak Hill amphibious landing ship and shared a quick kiss in the rain with her partner, Petty Officer 3rd Class Citlalic Snell of Los Angeles. Gaeta, 23, wore her Navy dress uniform while Snell, 22, wore a black leather jacket, scarf and blue jeans. The crowd screamed and waved flags around them.

Marissa Gaeta And Citlalic Snell, U.S. Naval Petty Officers, Share First Same-Sex Kiss At Ship's Return

Surely we are doomed!!!!​
 
lpast said:
Immoral has nothing to do with it...and was never a part of my conversation or opposition to homosexual marriage
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Then why would you try to oppose same-sex marriage? Not being normal is not a reason to oppose something.
 
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Empirica said:
Only if you're a redeverythingelse.
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Gays are normal in every other way. They just happen to have different sexual preferences. And redeverythingelses don't deserve to be treated like ****, because it is not bad and because it is not something that they can control
 
In response to another member's question that went something along the lines of "What is normal with homosexuality?"

Almost every type of animal in the animal kingdom has showed homosexual and bisexual behavior. It's not just a human thing, it encompasses much more than our species. Just something to keep in mind.


But back to the thread... If the mother did make the child say that for her own purposes, then that's a shame and if I had a child I would not do the same. However, my father made me take lessons for skiing, soccer, baseball, among other things when I was about as old as that kid. I didn't want to at the time, but you do a lot of things that you don't care for as a little kid. Making a child say that to a politician for your own gain is pretty low, but in the scheme of things it isn't that big of a deal. Just reflects poorly on the parents' character. But even that can be argued because they obviously feel very passionate about this topic and are infuriated about the inequity of Bachman's (and other's) opinion.

If the child actually did feel that way and wanted to tell her, then I'm glad his parents decided to bring him to her. The child could very well have been intimidated/nervous when he got in front of Bachman. We'll never know, though, and chances are the former is true. In which case, as I already said, it was a very low tactic but nothing crazy or detrimental to that little boy's health haha. No big deal, he probably didn't even remember it after a few weeks unless his parents brought it up again. There are selfish parents all over the place.
 
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MadLib said:
Gays are normal in every other way. They just happen to have different sexual preferences. And redeverythingelses don't deserve to be treated like ****, because it is not bad and because it is not something that they can control
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Ohhhk__I feel much better knowing thats outa the way :bolt
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Define abnormal.
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I dunno, Cap. I'm just asking you a question. (How did I know I would regret it?)

I would say normal is that which is common to my experience and the experiences of most with whom I come into contact. Abnormal would be the opposite, I suppose.

Now may I ask you once more . . .

Is there any behavior that can properly be termed abnormal? In your opinion?
 
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LuckyDan said:
I would say normal is that which is common to my experience and the experiences of most with whom I come into contact. Abnormal would be the opposite, I suppose.
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Considering you live in Carollton, Texas - would you say that polar bears are "abnormal"?

Is there any behavior that can properly be termed abnormal? In your opinion?
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I think what we can all agree that educated consent is a key determinant in normality. A human being who sleeps with a pig is not normal because the pig can't give its consent to having sex anymore than a dead body can. So we should start from there and move along. This needs to be narrowed down even further as we're likely to get into polygamy. Even then however, by the definition given by lpast, polygamy is far more normal than monogamy. As much as certain people would like to argue otherwise, relationships based on "one man, one woman" is a relatively new invention. Polygamy on the other hand has been practiced in almost every single culture since day one.
 
LuckyDan said:
I dunno, Cap. I'm just asking you a question. (How did I know I would regret it?)

I would say normal is that which is common to my experience and the experiences of most with whom I come into contact. Abnormal would be the opposite, I suppose.

Now may I ask you once more . . .

Is there any behavior that can properly be termed abnormal? In your opinion?
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Based on how you have defined normal and abnormal, from a purely objective standpoint, no, there cannot.

Let me tell you what I say to clients when I first meet them about the word "normal". I explain that there are several words that I do not like using when conducting therapy. Normal is one of them. I explain that normal "is the cycle on a washing machine", that there is no normal except what our own experiences tell us that normal is and that is not universal. Using the term normal, unless you are using it in statistical terms, is ALWAYS a value judgment of some sort. This is why no anti-GM debater can answer the question and why I enjoy watching them squirm so much with it. They haven't figured out that arguing "normal" is a losing proposition, unless you argue it from a statistical standpoint... which doesn't suit their purposes. They want to make a value judgment, withOUT making a value judgment, which is not possible. This is why the "normal" question is such a failure and why I enjoy watching the outrage of anti-GM folks when I confront them. Their is no defense for my position on this, unless one does one of the following three things: 1) use normal in a statistical sense; 2) admit to using "normal" as a means to a value judgment; 3) admit that defining normal is context is relative to the individual. As you can see, each of these three responses are loser positions if one is trying to prove the lack of normalcy of homosexuality towards the anti-GM position. Yet, anti-GM folks STILL try to argue this. And I'll just keep forcing them to try to define it, and laughing when it sinks their position no matter how they respond.
 
Probably a dumb question but what constitutes normal, statistically? Within two standard deviations?
 
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