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There's a whole lotta fail on this thread, including the pile-on in progress.

So-called "Pile-ons" are often due to the incompetence and dishonesty of the person getting "piled on". If someone is getting "piled-on" they only have themselves to blame. They certainly aren't victims. They certainly don't deserve protection from themselves.

And in those instances when the piled-on-party is competent and honest, they can easily handle those piling on. They won't need protection because they are highly skilled debaters that can handle said piling-on with ease.
 
There's a whole lotta fail on this thread, including the pile-on in progress.

The pile on is what turns me off and whats going to make me start posting precisely what I KNOW to be true and how ive seen it over and over again first hand.
I could care less what homosexuals do in the bedroom...I do care that they try to force and badger me into accepting homosexuality as normal when it is NOT...and they want me to dance to their homosexual marriage tune and I will NOT
This forum is particularly dispicable when it comes to belittling and ganging up on anyone that doesnt totally agree categorically down the line with everything the dps homosexual community and thier cheerleaders want us to say....well guess what...you nor anyone else is going to bader me into anything, the only thing your going to accomplish by your badgering bs is turn me into a stone wall you cant move....
Some of the homosexuals and their cheerleaders on this forum are more HATEFUL and have more disdain for heterorsexuals that do not toe their line precisely than I ever had for homosexuals.
 
So-called "Pile-ons" are often due to the incompetence and dishonesty of the person getting "piled on". If someone is getting "piled-on" they only have themselves to blame. They certainly aren't victims. They certainly don't deserve protection from themselves.

And in those instances when the piled-on-party is competent and honest, they can easily handle those piling on. They won't need protection because they are highly skilled debaters that can handle said piling-on with ease.

Don't want to get into whether the pile-on is deserved (I've read the posts and understand the frustrations); I'm just saying that stooping to pile-on level doesn't exactly contribute to a civil discourse and is...stooping. You've heard the only saying about not wallowing in the mud with a pig, right? The pig likes it, but you both get dirty?
 
Actually you are part of the abnormal America that believes that what gays do in the bedroom is important. It is a surprisingly rare point of view these days. Since you won't "varify" your comments, they are basically worthless.
Be advised!__This is absolutely the last time I'm going to repeat this__Nobody cares what you or anyone else does in your bedrooms but please stop demanding that decent moral people accept your sick perverted lifestyles.

Your side has the support of mainstream media which promotes immorality and attacks anyone who disagrees and for this reason immorality is slowly gaining ground through indoctrination, beginning in the public schools and I believe someday soon you will be able to wed your buddy and play house.
 
Be advised!__This is absolutely the last time I'm going to repeat this__Nobody cares what you or anyone else does in your bedrooms but please stop demanding that decent moral people accept your sick perverted lifestyles.

Your side has the support of mainstream media which promotes immorality and attacks anyone who disagrees and for this reason immorality is slowly gaining ground through indoctrination, beginning in the public schools and I believe someday soon you will be able to wed your buddy and play house.


Only to a bigot such as yourself is my lifestyle sick and perverted. Only to someone as closed-minded as you is my sexuality immoral.
 
Be advised!__This is absolutely the last time I'm going to repeat this__Nobody cares what you or anyone else does in your bedrooms but please stop demanding that decent moral people accept your sick perverted lifestyles.

Your side has the support of mainstream media which promotes immorality and attacks anyone who disagrees and for this reason immorality is slowly gaining ground through indoctrination, beginning in the public schools and I believe someday soon you will be able to wed your buddy and play house.

Be advised. This will NOT be the last time you see this kind of response. When you use words/phrases like "decent", "normal", "sick perverted lifestyles", you are committing a host of logical fallacies, and since you refuse to define your terms or provide any evidence of your position, the idiocy and irrelevance of what you post will get pointed out EACH AND EVERY TIME. If you don't like it, don't do it and try to educate yourself both on the issue and on debate in general.
 
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ive answered your question more than once...this is the last time...asking a question ad nauseum doesnt win debates....

This is quite simple really...you just dont want to accept it...

Dictionary Definition of Normal:

nor·mal 
adjective

conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural.
serving to establish a standard.

If homosexuality was normal...94% would be homosexual and 6% heterosexual...we know that its just the opposite.
The purpose of two sexs having sex is to procreate, thats the way NATURE or GOD depending on what you believe obviously intended...we know two men and two women cannot procreate, therefore that is not NORMAL coupling.
You cannot change that by saying over and over redundantly that two men having sex is NORMAL and two women having sex is NORMAL, that is merely your opinion and does not translate into any facts. ....it is absolutely not normal and its absurd to try and force that belief on to others by saying it over and over, it doesnt change that, whether you or anyone like it. This is the last time I will respond to that question.
Lastly your statement :


I said it was valueless when you try to pretend it is a fact. And of course you won't/can't answer my question about normal, honestly. If you did, you would have to admit that your position isn't factually based, but based on opinion, morals, or just personal feelings. All fine, but not factual.

Its your opinion that is not factually based, its your opinion that is based on your personal feelings...you have never provided any proof of two men and two women coupling is the norm...because you simply cannot...all you can do capt is redundantly ad nauseum use the same repetitive arguments and questions to try and overwhelm the argument.
Now my question to you....define how homosexuality is the NORM and how its normal.

If you are defining "normal" in statistical terms, then homosexuality is not normal. Neither is lefthandedness, genius, being Jewish, etc... So, my question is, if you believe that homosexuality is NOT normal, based on the definition you are using, do you ALSO agree that being Jewish is NOT normal?

Further, you defining the purpose of two sexes via nature or God is nothing but a naturalistic fallacy and irrelevant. Also, if you are saying that "NORMAL" coupling means that the individuals can procreate, firstly, you are saying that anyone who is sterile and in a relationship are NOT normal, and you forget that gays CAN procreate. Lastly, no one is forcing any belief on you. You deny facts. It is FACTS that I am throwing at you. Not my problem that you don't like them.
 
The pile on is what turns me off and whats going to make me start posting precisely what I KNOW to be true and how ive seen it over and over again first hand.
I could care less what homosexuals do in the bedroom...I do care that they try to force and badger me into accepting homosexuality as normal when it is NOT...and they want me to dance to their homosexual marriage tune and I will NOT
This forum is particularly dispicable when it comes to belittling and ganging up on anyone that doesnt totally agree categorically down the line with everything the dps homosexual community and thier cheerleaders want us to say....well guess what...you nor anyone else is going to bader me into anything, the only thing your going to accomplish by your badgering bs is turn me into a stone wall you cant move....
Some of the homosexuals and their cheerleaders on this forum are more HATEFUL and have more disdain for heterorsexuals that do not toe their line precisely than I ever had for homosexuals.

You don't have to accept any opinion that you don't like. No one is badgering you to accept any opinion. It is your denial of facts that is the problem. But let's get to my question... if you believe that homosexuality is NOT normal, based on the definition you are using, do you ALSO agree that being Jewish is NOT normal?
 
If you are defining "normal" in statistical terms, then homosexuality is not normal. Neither is lefthandedness, genius, being Jewish, etc... So, my question is, if you believe that homosexuality is NOT normal, based on the definition you are using, do you ALSO agree that being Jewish is NOT normal?

Further, you defining the purpose of two sexes via nature or God is nothing but a naturalistic fallacy and irrelevant. Also, if you are saying that "NORMAL" coupling means that the individuals can procreate, firstly, you are saying that anyone who is sterile and in a relationship are NOT normal, and you forget that gays CAN procreate. Lastly, no one is forcing any belief on you. You deny facts. It is FACTS that I am throwing at you. Not my problem that you don't like them.

You can also add to this list of things that aren't "normal"

Being a redhead (2-6% of the entire US population)
Being multiracial (only 6 million of us in the whole US)
Being ambidextrous (true ambidexterity is so rare there is no statistic)
Having parents with blue eyes but you having brown eyes.

The list of things that aren't experience by a majority but that are by no means abnormal are loooooong.
 
Be advised!__This is absolutely the last time I'm going to repeat this__Nobody cares what you or anyone else does in your bedrooms but please stop demanding that decent moral people accept your sick perverted lifestyles.

Your side has the support of mainstream media which promotes immorality and attacks anyone who disagrees and for this reason immorality is slowly gaining ground through indoctrination, beginning in the public schools and I believe someday soon you will be able to wed your buddy and play house.

Wait what? Not only do you contradict yourself in one sentence, but you made it extra large so every one can see it. If people do not care, when why are they judging it?

I do not have a side. I speak for myself and only myself. I don't need to claim to be a majority to think my views have merit.

My sick perverted lifestyle would disappoint you. Pretty much the only time any one shares my bed, it's a cat, and it's not sexual. If reading, playing on the computer or watching hockey is your idea of a sick, perverted lifestyle, that problem is yours.
 
You can also add to this list of things that aren't "normal"

Being a redhead (2-6% of the entire US population)
Being multiracial (only 6 million of us in the whole US)
Being ambidextrous (true ambidexterity is so rare there is no statistic)
Having parents with blue eyes but you having brown eyes.

The list of things that aren't experience by a majority but that are by no means abnormal are loooooong.

I have explained this before: being a redhead is not abnormal, it is exceptional.
 
If you are defining "normal" in statistical terms, then homosexuality is not normal. Neither is lefthandedness, genius, being Jewish, etc... So, my question is, if you believe that homosexuality is NOT normal, based on the definition you are using, do you ALSO agree that being Jewish is NOT normal?

Further, you defining the purpose of two sexes via nature or God is nothing but a naturalistic fallacy and irrelevant. Also, if you are saying that "NORMAL" coupling means that the individuals can procreate, firstly, you are saying that anyone who is sterile and in a relationship are NOT normal, and you forget that gays CAN procreate. Lastly, no one is forcing any belief on you. You deny facts. It is FACTS that I am throwing at you. Not my problem that you don't like them.

Nope nope nope and your arguments are baseless and mere dodges and we both know that :)

Being Jewish is and may be a religion less in numbers than others but it is absolutely normal...there is nothing they do within their religion that is ABNORMAL..merely being a minority does not make you abnormal if that were the case...black americans would be abnormal using your terms...

Procreation is a natural event between a man and a woman...pleasure was added to coitus so men and women would actually do it...two men two women has nothing to do with proliferating life its merely lust. Saying its normal will NEVER make it so
It is you sir that ALWAYS deny anyone facts that you dont agree with that is clearly your MO.
My beliefs are not based on hatred or disdain...nor religious reasons...there are based on a simple truth that you will never acknowledge that homosexuality is not normal and that homosexual marriage is absurd...and the only purpose of it is to give homosexuals the ability to get free healthcare from their partners employers and pass on SS and Medicare which is already broke...
You have proven nothing...actually all youve done is say the same things you always have...you still have shown how homosexuality is normal....
 
Nope nope nope and your arguments are baseless and mere dodges and we both know that :)

Being Jewish is and may be a religion less in numbers than others but it is absolutely normal...there is nothing they do within their religion that is ABNORMAL..merely being a minority does not make you abnormal if that were the case...black americans would be abnormal using your terms...

It is you who defined normality in terms of statistics....

If homosexuality was normal...94% would be homosexual and 6% heterosexual...we know that its just the opposite.
 
Nope nope nope and your arguments are baseless and mere dodges and we both know that :)

Being Jewish is and may be a religion less in numbers than others but it is absolutely normal...there is nothing they do within their religion that is ABNORMAL..merely being a minority does not make you abnormal if that were the case...black americans would be abnormal using your terms...

Procreation is a natural event between a man and a woman...pleasure was added to coitus so men and women would actually do it...two men two women has nothing to do with proliferating life its merely lust. Saying its normal will NEVER make it so
It is you sir that ALWAYS deny anyone facts that you dont agree with that is clearly your MO.
My beliefs are not based on hatred or disdain...nor religious reasons...there are based on a simple truth that you will never acknowledge that homosexuality is not normal and that homosexual marriage is absurd...and the only purpose of it is to give homosexuals the ability to get free healthcare from their partners employers and pass on SS and Medicare which is already broke...
You have proven nothing...actually all youve done is say the same things you always have...you still have shown how homosexuality is normal....

This post demonstrates your dishonesty on this issue and is an excellent example of precisely how I've pegged you. Good job. You avoid facts, lpast. Completely. YOU were the one who defined normal in statistical terms... Hatuey showed your exact quote. NOW, of course, when confronted with this, as I did, you revert right to hypocrisy. Your definition works for one group, but not the other? That's an excellent definition of hypocrisy. THESE ARE YOUR TERMS, as you defined them. And yes, with YOUR definition, black americans WOULD be abnormal. This is why you refuse to answer the "normal" question honestly. Because, as I've said, you can't.

What I've proven here is that you are still devoid of facts on this issue, and not only STILL refuse to define normal because it would torpedo your position, but that you post completely hypocritically on this issue. Congratulations.
 
It is you who defined normality in terms of statistics....

He's not going to admit it. That would require honesty on this issue. He has avoided defining normal for ages... and finally, when he does, he does so hypocritically.
 
Yea, I'll get right on that Tuck.

I have absolutely nothing better to do than varify the obvious to someone who doesn't recognize that proposition 8 was an open and shut indicator of main stream americas intolerance of perversion and immorality.

Translation: you have nothing back up your position.

And yes, I am part of the main stream america that believes all those things I listed are sick perversions, as if I really needed to explain that__I think you people believe that playing dumb strenghens your position.

Who decides what is considered perverse?

There's a whole lotta fail on this thread, including the pile-on in progress.

No, just a lot of people pointing out the obvious.

The pile on is what turns me off and whats going to make me start posting precisely what I KNOW to be true and how ive seen it over and over again first hand.
I could care less what homosexuals do in the bedroom...I do care that they try to force and badger me into accepting homosexuality as normal when it is NOT...and they want me to dance to their homosexual marriage tune and I will NOT
This forum is particularly dispicable when it comes to belittling and ganging up on anyone that doesnt totally agree categorically down the line with everything the dps homosexual community and thier cheerleaders want us to say....well guess what...you nor anyone else is going to bader me into anything, the only thing your going to accomplish by your badgering bs is turn me into a stone wall you cant move....
Some of the homosexuals and their cheerleaders on this forum are more HATEFUL and have more disdain for heterorsexuals that do not toe their line precisely than I ever had for homosexuals.

But you have no proof for your position. :shrug:

Be advised!__This is absolutely the last time I'm going to repeat this__Nobody cares what you or anyone else does in your bedrooms but please stop demanding that decent moral people accept your sick perverted lifestyles.

Your side has the support of mainstream media which promotes immorality and attacks anyone who disagrees and for this reason immorality is slowly gaining ground through indoctrination, beginning in the public schools and I believe someday soon you will be able to wed your buddy and play house.

Same question. Who decides what is perverse?

Nope nope nope and your arguments are baseless and mere dodges and we both know that :)

Being Jewish is and may be a religion less in numbers than others but it is absolutely normal...there is nothing they do within their religion that is ABNORMAL..merely being a minority does not make you abnormal if that were the case...black americans would be abnormal using your terms...

Procreation is a natural event between a man and a woman...pleasure was added to coitus so men and women would actually do it...two men two women has nothing to do with proliferating life its merely lust. Saying its normal will NEVER make it so
It is you sir that ALWAYS deny anyone facts that you dont agree with that is clearly your MO.
My beliefs are not based on hatred or disdain...nor religious reasons...there are based on a simple truth that you will never acknowledge that homosexuality is not normal and that homosexual marriage is absurd...and the only purpose of it is to give homosexuals the ability to get free healthcare from their partners employers and pass on SS and Medicare which is already broke...
You have proven nothing...actually all youve done is say the same things you always have...you still have shown how homosexuality is normal....

Define "not normal."
 
See folks. I've compiled a list of standard questions/comments that the anti-GM crowd cannot answer, or rebuttals to some of their rhetoric. The "normal" issue is one of the most apparent and easiest to refute. lpast's responses are classic. He won't define normal... then when he does, and does so APPROPRIATELY in statistical terms, he backs off and shows hypocrisy when the statistical definition is used on other issues. Emprica shows a different kind of weakness in this area. She refuses to even define the term, instead using nonsense rhetoric and logical fallacies along with the word. Most folks who argue from the ant-GM position are very poor at doing so... as evidenced in this thread. I have no problem with someone having a differing view on this issue, but if you do, don't post opinions as facts or you will be confronted and your position shown to be fallacious.
 
then I guess my attempts to get clarification were in vain.

Yup. Not going to happen. You will more likely get platitudes, fallacies, diversions, or attacks. Nothing of substance, though.
 
God, what a tedious thread this must have been to participate in. It illustrates perfectly one of my two life rules: 1)Never eat yellow snow and 2)never get into a debate with a teenager who's been home schooled her whole life.

And what's wrong with being home schooled?
 
Nothing. It's just not "normal". ;)

Damned homephobes (fear of home schoolers) probably hold their views out of ignorance of what home schooling actually is.

the same is true for those who judge homosexuals /subliminalmessage
 
Damned homephobes (fear of home schoolers) probably hold their views out of ignorance of what home schooling actually is.

the same is true for those who judge homosexuals /subliminalmessage

Actually, you're quite right about my ignorance on homeschooling. I honestly have very little idea of what that entails. What I can say is that I've run into homeschooled people on debate forums with some degree of frequency, and the result of that homeschooling is extremely consistent:

*Adequately well educated in the three R's, but the overall education seems to focus (again, simply from what I've been able to ascertain from the result) on an ideological bent (you get three guesses what that ideology is and the first two don't count).
*Whatever their homeschooling entailed, it did not appear to involve any particular demand on citing sources or backing claims. Empirica's habit of not providing supporting evidence for anything she says whatsoever is entirely consistent with this. The impression I get is that her word is the source of evidence for her argument. (Reminds me of a Start TNG episode, where one of the crew must be prosecuted and defended in court based entirely on the evidence of opinions and hearsay).
*More jaw-dropping, chronic use of logical fallacies than you can shake a stick at. Ad homs, appeal to majority, appeal to history, it's all good in their eyes. Nobody seems to have told them about logical fallacies, let alone that they were best left unused in arguments.
*And finally, an absolute smugness about their intellectual inflexibility. It's not enough that all contradictory facts and demands for evidence go ignored, they're proud of their willingness to ignore these things.

Based on these observations, the moment someone claims to be home schooled I'm outta there. And from what I've seen in this thread and the climate threads, I'm wise to take that approach.
 
See folks. I've compiled a list of standard questions/comments that the anti-GM crowd cannot answer, or rebuttals to some of their rhetoric. The "normal" issue is one of the most apparent and easiest to refute. lpast's responses are classic. He won't define normal... then when he does, and does so APPROPRIATELY in statistical terms, he backs off and shows hypocrisy when the statistical definition is used on other issues. Emprica shows a different kind of weakness in this area. She refuses to even define the term, instead using nonsense rhetoric and logical fallacies along with the word. Most folks who argue from the ant-GM position are very poor at doing so... as evidenced in this thread. I have no problem with someone having a differing view on this issue, but if you do, don't post opinions as facts or you will be confronted and your position shown to be fallacious.

Is there then any behavior that can properly be termed abnormal?
 
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