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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    Please stop. You're the one who's avoiding discussion with posts like this.

    Answer these questions:

    1. Why does normality affect whether gays should marry or not?



    2. What is the definition of normal (I checked, you never defined it).

    3. Why do you avoid the questions and instead decide to blatantly troll?



    The answer to the first question:

    For me to accept two men or two women marrying I would have to accept it as normal and I do not...I do not have any animosity or hatred for homosexuals. I certainly dont wish them any harm...I believe they are entitled to live a free life free from any kind of persecution and they should enjoy all the rights and benefits of any other single american man and woman.

    The answer to number two is I answered the question in this thread and its not my problem if you cant find it.

    The answer to your third question its YOU thats the troll and every other homosexual cheerleader

    Now you Define how homosexuality is normal and natural....

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That is ironic, as economics seems to as well.
    That's funny no matter what political denomination you are
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You really need to tighten up what you are trying to say. I agree with the general gist of what you are saying, but you need to be clearer and avoid ambiguities. You need to state that what you are saying is it is against man's nature, why and what this means.
    Thats where your wrong...I cant be any clearer than I have been...and there seems to be a suggestion here thats its up to me to prove its abnormal...lol..umm NO...its up to the cheerleaders to prove to me that it is normal...

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    The answer to the first question:

    For me to accept two men or two women marrying I would have to accept it as normal and I do not...I do not have any animosity or hatred for homosexuals. I certainly dont wish them any harm...I believe they are entitled to live a free life free from any kind of persecution and they should enjoy all the rights and benefits of any other single american man and woman.

    The answer to number two is I answered the question in this thread and its not my problem if you cant find it.

    The answer to your third question its YOU thats the troll and every other homosexual cheerleader

    Now you Define how homosexuality is normal and natural....
    It's not normal. My question is why normality affects people's rights. And no, you cannot be for their rights, because you don't want them to marry. That's not the same amount of rights as straight people.

    You said he asked the question 20 times. He only asked it once, and after that you said that you had already answered. I promise, if you post the link I will not bother you on the subject anymore. I will if you don't.

    I never called you a homophobia cheerleader. You call us cheerleaders and accuse us of diversion in a trollish matter. We calmly pointed out that you didn't answer the question.

    Normal, no. Natural, animals do it.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Thats where your wrong...I cant be any clearer than I have been...and there seems to be a suggestion here thats its up to me to prove its abnormal...lol..umm NO...its up to the cheerleaders to prove to me that it is normal...
    If you want to deny people rights then it's up to you to show why, not up to us to show why they deserve the rights. The automatic position is to help people not to hurt them.
    Last edited by MadLib; 12-23-11 at 10:04 PM.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    My definition does prove that it is natural, it happens in nature, it is natural, plain and simple. And yes having sex with a sheep is natural, it occurs in nature, doesn't make it right, but it is natural. You are putting a moral connotation to natural that it just doesn't have. And my generation have no problem with homosexuality, my generation will change the society, and thank the good Lord above for that. And you take about us repeating the same line over and over, but isn't that what your doing? Just saying the same thing over and over, not thinking, not even considering challenging your position. We are not evil, we don't bite(unless you want us too ) we aren't any different from straight people. My relationships that I have had I guarantee you are very similar to straight peoples relationships, we are the same, just accept that now, it's just the truth.
    This is all depends on how you define nature. You are defining nature as something that just happens in the 'natural world' (which itself needs to be defined, but I understand your meaning enough to continue, for the present). So deafness would be natural in this sense. But you can also define deafness to be unnatural because it is against the natural function of an ear to be deaf. In this sense natural is related to Essences and Formal and Final Causes.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    If you want to deny people rights then it's up to you to show why, not up to us to show why they deserve the rights.
    LOL amazing, I was waiting for the YOUR DENYING US OUR RIGHTS thingy.....im not denying them anything...they are DEMANDING what they shouldnt have in the first place....

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    This is all depends on how you define nature. You are defining nature as something that just happens in the 'natural world'. So deafness would be natural in this sense. But you can also define deafness to be unnatural because it is against the natural function of an ear to be deaf.
    Wessexman I am not a scientist or a biologist nor am I a professor...I state what I believe in terms I am capable of...I make no claims to being anything more than what I am...Ok...so if your looking for some deep scientific explanation...your not getting one from me

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    LOL amazing, I was waiting for the YOUR DENYING US OUR RIGHTS thingy.....im not denying them anything...they are DEMANDING what they shouldnt have in the first place....
    Marriage? They shouldn't be allowed to marry while straight people should? That's taking away rights. One group of people can do something that another group can't for the sole reason that the latter group has different genes.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Wessexman I am not a scientist or a biologist nor am I a professor...I state what I believe in terms I am capable of...I make no claims to being anything more than what I am...Ok...so if your looking for some deep scientific explanation...your not getting one from me
    I understand, and largely agree with, your point. I also think that often such innate feelings are enough and not being able to put everything into exhaustive discursive argument is not a problem. The problem here though is you have entered where discursive argument is clearly needed and expected.
    Last edited by Wessexman; 12-23-11 at 10:10 PM.
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