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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Funny, I know a pretty large number of gays, they mostly are very moral people, don't do genocide, don't much care about race, and until this year couldn't serve openly in the military to fight any one.
    Exactly! That's how they are undermining the morality of that generation. Because those moral blokes of that generation did "do" genocide and they did care a lot about race (so much that they actually created internment camps and had race based laws about segregation).

    Those pesky gays and their not doing those things. It's immoral I tells ya!
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Guys - I appreciate the help, encouragement and support but you're making it easier for Empirica to avoid having a serious discussion and having her misguided views challenged.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    And this is your idea of knowing how to debate?


    Between rebuttals such as yours and criticizing spelling for lack of argument, I'm more than a little disappointed in the debating skills of the local competition!
    FYI, I fixed your spelling of criticizing and disappointed (yay for MS word).

    Here's what I understand as the proper progression of a debate…more or less, anyways:
    Say the debate is over some random topic, and the debaters are Person A and Person B.

    First, Person A makes claims A1, A2, A3, and A4, which they back up by presenting sources for facts Fa1, Fa2, and Fa3, but neglect to present a source-supported fact Fa4 to back claim A4.

    Person B challenges claim A4, demanding proof. He/she may also challenge any or all of the other claims, demanding further proof or (often) attacking the source presented as invalid for one or more reasons. To be taken seriously, they must present facts to back up their challenge, for example if they challenge claim A1 and A3, they need to present sources that contain facts which counter the facts presented in Fa1 and Fa3. We’ll call these challenges C1 and C3, and the supporting source-facts Fc1 and Fc3.
    Person A must now either admit defeat on claims A1, A3, and A4, or counter-challenge and present more sources containing facts (in the case of claims A1 and A3) to bolster their argument, and a fact-providing source Fa4 to support their earlier claim A4.

    …………..

    This is getting far more complex than I had intended, but perhaps you get the idea.

    This, of course, rarely is how a “debate” actually progresses…

    More often, it degrades into a back and forth slapfest over whose sources/facts are the most valid/unbiased/factual, and the main debate progresses not at all.

    That is mostly the case when Person A and Person B have a position that they prefer, and are unwilling to change no matter the evidence.

    But as I like to think. “there are no absolutes except this statement”.

    For all I know, thousands of years of history are wrong, homosexuality is the correct path, and humans were never meant to reproduce.

    Damn my perverted straightness.

    We are all immoral perverts, what with our penchant for continuing the human race.




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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Perversion is a value judgement that changes with the individual. You need to be specific what you consider perversions if you want a serous discussion.
    Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally considered repulsive and immoral sex acts to normal people of a civilized society, regardless of religion.

    I'm sure there are others but those are the first that come to mind off the top of my head__You ask for it so there you are__Let the rant begin.

    Gays are not asking people to condone or accept anything, only that they be treated the same under the law.
    A moral society would never allow perversion to be legitimized by law but judging by the course western civilization has recently taken, Im sure you will get your wish.

    Political correctness as you are using it is just a way of whining about what others are doing. it has exactly jack **** to do with the topic.
    Once again, most people honestly don't care what you do as long as you don't expect them to accept and condone your lifestyle by allowing it to corrupt and cheapin the sacred institution of marriage, which is foremost in the development of happy healthy well balanced children.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally considered repulsive and immoral sex acts to normal people of a civilized society, regardless of religion.
    Of course, as you always do, you'll be offering some data to support yet another contention of yours? Oh wait...


    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Once again, most people honestly don't care what you do as long as you don't expect them to accept and condone your lifestyle by allowing it to corrupt and cheapin the sacred institution of marriage, which is foremost in the development of happy healthy well balanced children.
    Hilarious. No doubt the 50% divorce rate is directly related to gay people having sex. Sacred my yass.

    Do you have any idea how insane what you're saying sounds?

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally considered repulsive and immoral sex acts to normal people of a civilized society, regardless of religion.


    I'm sure there are others but those are the first that come to mind off the top of my head__You ask for it so there you are__Let the rant begin.
    Generally by whom? Since gays engage in sex acts that a large portion(most in some cases) that straits do as well, it would be pretty ironic. In point of fact, I can't think of any one I know who consider such things as oral sex and mutual masturbation repulsive(in general, I do know some who find it distasteful to perform specifically) nor immoral. That right there encompasses the majority of sex that gays have. So I am sure you can document this wild assed and highly improbably claim.

    Also note that the tying of gays in with all those other things is a well known and piss poor tactic.

    A moral society would never allow perversion to be legitimized by law but judging by the course western civilization has recently taken, Im sure you will get your wish.
    The problem here is that you are working with your own view of what is moral. I doubt many people actually have the same set of morals.

    Once again, most people honestly don't care what you do as long as you don't expect them to accept and condone your lifestyle by allowing it to corrupt and cheapin the sacred institution of marriage, which is foremost in the development of happy healthy well balanced children.
    Well that is a painfully stupid statement. Right now SSM is polling over 50 % acceptance. You have shown no evidence that SSM corrupts nor cheapens marriage. We do know however that children do best in 2 parent households, and that the gender and orientation of those two parents looks to be irrelevant.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Of course, as you always do, you'll be offering some data to support yet another contention of yours?
    This was a direct answer to a direct question by Redress, asking for my opinion__You seriously believe my "contention" is false?

    If you were to request "data" to varify this, I would remind you of the opposition to gay marriage at nation wide ballot boxes.

    Even california, the gayest state, passed Proposition-8__Does that support my "contention"?

    Oh wait...Hilarious. No doubt the 50% divorce rate is directly related to gay people having sex. Sacred my yass.
    The widespread and ever escalating acceptance of immorality of the past 5 decades has absolutely impacted the divorce rate as well as unwed birth rate, abortion rate, STD rate and every other issue of morality.
    Do you have any idea how insane what you're saying sounds?
    Top Cat, you are at the top of the list of least intelligent members of DP I have thus far encountered.

    For this reason I can no longer waste time responding to your senseless and pathetic posts__I wish you well.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    This was a direct answer to a direct question by Redress, asking for my opinion__You seriously believe my "contention" is false?
    You didn't give an opinion, though. You made a definitive claim about what "normal people in civilized society" "generally find repulsive".

    If you had limited to your opinion, your sentence would have read as follows "Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally Things that I find repulsive."

    See that part in bold, especially the pronoun I underlined, italicized and made larger? That's the bit that would make the statement an opinion statement. Frankly, I'm surprised I have to explain such simple composition rules to you, but apparently simple grade-school-level English composition was not covered in your "better-than-Columbia-and-Harvard" educational studies.

    Now, since instead of making a sentence like the one described above, you instead wrote: "Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally considered repulsive and immoral sex acts to normal people of a civilized society, regardless of religion." you are making a claim that can be verified and supported by evidence. The part in bold is again key to undestanding why this is so.

    What you will first need to do in order to verify and support your claim is A. Define "civilized society" B. Define "normal people" within that civilized society. C. Show that they find All of the acts you have described repulsive (What this means is that simply showing that necrophilia, pedophilia, and bestiality are considered repulsive does not cut the mustard) and D. that religion plays no role.

    I expect that you should be able to provide me with an essay in using sources following either the APA or MLA guidelines (I'm not picky), given the superb education level you have attained. Scholarly articles only, please. I expect a higher standard from one of your educational stature.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    And this is your idea of knowing how to debate?
    Certainly. Pointing out the ignorance of another is completely appropriate. It's called REFUTING. That's what I just did. Remember, when you post something that is completely false and/or makes no sense, it will get pointed out. If you don't like that, don't do it.


    Between rebuttals such as yours and critisizing spelling for lack of argument, I'm more than a little dissapointed in the debating skills of the local competition!
    I've told you before. From what I've seen, between your posts being nothing but logical fallacies and you presenting nothing but misinformation and/or opinions masquerading as facts, you have zero debating skills. You might want to educate yourself on some of these topics before discussing them.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Now, lets demonstrate what a poor debater you actually are:

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Sexual acts involving pets or farm animals, children, dead bodies and same gender partners are generally considered repulsive and immoral sex acts to normal people of a civilized society, regardless of religion.
    I'm sure there are others but those are the first that come to mind off the top of my head__You ask for it so there you are__Let the rant begin.
    In bold. This could fall under the appeal to popularity or the appeal to emotion logical fallacy. Also, since "normal" is a value judgement, NOT an absolute, your use of the term is an opinion and proves nothing. If you want to actually prove something you need to define your terms and give evidence... two things that seem absolutely foreign to you.

    That's fail #1.

    A moral society would never allow perversion to be legitimized by law but judging by the course western civilization has recently taken, Im sure you will get your wish.
    In bold. Another appeal to emotion and the masking of opinions pretending to be facts. Your perception of what is moral and perverse is YOURS and is not universal. Didn't anyone teach you to not speak in absolutes, as doing so makes you absolutely look foolish?

    That is fail #2.

    Once again, most people honestly don't care what you do as long as you don't expect them to accept and condone your lifestyle by allowing it to corrupt and cheapin the sacred institution of marriage, which is foremost in the development of happy healthy well balanced children.
    In bold. You do it AGAIN. Appeal to emotion logical fallacy... which seems to be all you've got. Tell me, to ALL radical libertarian conservatives have nothing but emotional arguments, devoid of facts like you? Beyond that, you obviously have no knowledge of facts, which have proven that children raised in households with gay parents do as well as those with straight parents. Now, if you dispute that, I expect that you will provide evidence. I doubt you will do so, since it is apparent that your debating skills are FAR to meager to mount any kind of reasonable defense, but one can hope.

    Educate yourself on this issue.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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