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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Where'd you get the idea that you couldn't even know about other cultures if there was nothing in common? Differences act as a phenomenal way to gain understanding as well.

    I'm not saying there aren't similarities between other cultures and eras, I'm saying that your response is built on a false premise that the only way to gain understanding is through similarity.
    No, my point is there must be some shared premises or we couldn't gain any knowledge of these cultures at all, we wouldn't even know they existed if we were totally bound up by the historicist limits of our own culture. Can you imagine a culture that is completely different to ours? Already when you talk of culture you mean things, like living in our universe with all the conditions that demands, which are in common with our own. So to understand they are talking about morality, or where we'd see morality, and not cheese or the price of fried eggs, there must similarities.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No, my point is there must be some shared premises or we couldn't gain any knowledge of these cultures at all, we wouldn't even know they existed if we were totally bound up by the historicist limits of our own culture. So to understand they are talking about morality, or where we'd see morality, and not cheese or the price of fried eggs, there must similarities.
    I'll ask the simple question here: Why? What makes you believe that is true?

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'll ask the simple question here: Why? What makes you believe that is true?
    Well as I added to the above; Already when you talk of culture you mean things, like living in our universe with all the conditions that demands, which are in common with our own. Can you imagine a culture that has nothing, absolutely nothing, in common with ours? Even including the basic conditions and modalities of our state of existence or universe.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Well as I added to the above; Already when you talk of culture you mean things, like living in our universe with all the conditions that demands, which are in common with our own. Can you imagine a culture that has nothing, absolutely nothing, in common with ours? Even including the basic conditions and modalities of our state of existence or universe.
    Ah, so by "similarities" you meant such similarities as being alive and existing in our universe, essentially.

    Let me ask the most glaring question, then: What the hell does that have to do with what I posted?

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Ah, so by "similarities" you meant such similarities as being alive and existing in our universe, essentially.

    Let me ask the most glaring question, then: What the hell does that have to do with what I posted?
    You're making points about the particular and the universal. We're never going to settle that in this setting, nor can I be bothered to make a head long argument in favour of a more universalist view than you have adopted. So I thought why not explore some of the assumptions, such as by pushing the historicist viewpoint to the extreme. That seems a far more interesting, and better way, to get you to consider the premises behind your position.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Come on, we all know Obama will have written an essay praising the Soviets or something stupid like that.
    Rocks in your pocket?

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

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    Rocks in your pocket?
    Is that something out of Rules for Radicals? Something about smashing shop windows?
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

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    Is that something out of Rules for Radicals? Something about smashing shop windows?
    Perhaps you should ask Tea Partiers?

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

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    Perhaps you should ask Tea Partiers?
    You spelt OWS wrong.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You spelt OWS wrong.
    You're right. It's spelled RWWJ

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