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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I know, you prefer Hollywood movies to tell you what to think.

    You're displaying what C.S Lewis called chronological snobbery, the arbitrary belief that the later one lived the more profound and useful is their thought.
    Such snobbery works in both directions. For example, snobs who like to pretend things were so much better in years gone by because of MORALITY being present.

    Morality such as prohibition ere gangsters and jim crow laws. Morality such as ostracizing pregnant teen daughters and not reporting date rape. Mortality such as institutionalizing any child who is handicapped.

    Things were so much more moral in previous generations. I wonder how things could have possibly gotten so bad!

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Such snobbery works in both directions. For example, snobs who like to pretend things were so much better in years gone by because of MORALITY being present.
    That would only be snobbery if they were wrong, or wrong to think so. Lewis' obvious point is that what he is describing is bigotry or the unthinking acceptance of prejudice.

    Morality such as prohibition ere gangsters and jim crow laws. Morality such as ostracizing pregnant teen daughters and not reporting date rape. Mortality such as institutionalizing any child who is handicapped.

    Things were so much more moral in previous generations. I wonder how things could have possibly gotten so bad!
    Those who love Fairy Tales always know that morality hangs by fragile threads. In the past men were often pessimistic about mankind's ability to be good and not bad, nowadays we are pessimistic about whether there is good or bad.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm not interested in Empirica's claim, nor your waiting for something ... I want to know if you're going to provide a hyper link per the request.
    Nor am I interested in playing your inane birther game. Shouldn't you be watching Fake News about now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Nor am I interested in playing your arcane birther game. Shouldn't you be watching Fake News about now?
    It isn't actually a birther game. I believe Obama has not realised his full academic records. There is obvious speculation that this could be because he wrote some embarrassing things back then, this is particularly so when Gingrich has had some of his essays from university commented on negatively. Is it that unlikely that the Saul Alinsky influenced, community organiser wrote some things which might be considered somewhat, to use British parlance about the far-left, rat-bag.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    It isn't actually a birther game. I believe Obama has not realised his full academic records.
    Of course it isn't. To you.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    That would only be snobbery if they were wrong, or wrong to think so.
    Of course they would be wrong. Any blanket statement of that sort is going to be wrong because it fails to understand the complexity of human existence and relies on sugar-coated versions of history.

    In truth, there's always give and take. Some things will be better and some things worse. Even when comparing things like the modern day and the dark ages, there will be positives and negatives.

    Those who love Fairy Tales always know that morality hangs by fragile threads.
    And those who love history know that morality is ever-changing and generally absent on the large scale, no matter what time in history we are talking about.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I know, you prefer Hollywood movies to tell you what to think.

    You're displaying what C.S Lewis called chronological snobbery, the arbitrary belief that the later someone lived the more profound and useful is their thought.
    No actually. I am shaping my message for those listening to make fun of their attitudes.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Of course they would be wrong. Any blanket statement of that sort is going to be wrong because it fails to understand the complexity of human existence and relies on sugar-coated versions of history.

    In truth, there's always give and take. Some things will be better and some things worse. Even when comparing things like the modern day and the dark ages, there will be positives and negatives.
    I'm struggling to see how reminding people that something being contemporary makes it right means you must be saying something from the past must be right.

    And those who love history know that morality is ever-changing and generally absent on the large scale, no matter what time in history we are talking about.
    How would you know unless there were similarities for you to assess? Those who love history do not have to take the full historicist approach and take the historically particular for everything. In the extreme that doesn't even make sense, otherwise you wouldn't even know about other cultures, if there was nothing in common.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Of course it isn't. To you.
    Is this birther then as well?

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    Come on, we all know Obama will have written an essay praising the Soviets or something stupid like that. In Australia the PM was part of a move in the 80s to twin Melbourne and Leningrad, it is nothing to hold you back these days, unfortunately.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I'm struggling to see how reminding people that something being contemporary makes it right means you must be saying something from the past must be right.
    I wasn't accusing you of that. It has happened in this thread with others though.

    How would you know unless there were similarities for you to assess? Those who love history do not have to take the full historicist approach and take the historically particular for everything. In the extreme that doesn't even make sense, otherwise you wouldn't even know about other cultures, if there was nothing in common.
    Where'd you get the idea that you couldn't even know about other cultures if there was nothing in common? Differences act as a phenomenal way to gain understanding as well.

    I'm not saying there aren't similarities between other cultures and eras, I'm saying that your response is built on a false premise that the only way to gain understanding is through similarity.

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