And I understand your point. YOU think its a perversion, they're not keeping it locked away like a deep dark secret, and thus society must deal with the fact some people are like this and you dislike it because some of them are really over the top. Well you know what, I think people proclaiming the will of god in regards to his "hate" is immoral. I think that people proclaiming tha god condoned 9/11 is immoral. I think people slandering our troops is immoral. Those are the "extreme" example of the people on YOUR side of this debate...does that mean we shouldn't take your arguments seriously because the extreme portion of your side is showing their immorality for all the world to see?