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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    For the very short and unsatisfying response, metaphysical and philosophical views are inherently subjective.
    All done the ages to philosophise was to think, it was left to the 20th century not to think and call it philosophy. - As a wise man once said.

    As 'natural science' is but the application of reason to observation, and this reason too always makes certain pre-empirical assumptions about nature(like the nature of causality and on things like Cartesianism and so forth), then natural science must be subjective as well. In fact if one investigates the philosophy of science, as say the Catholic mathematician and physicist Wolfgang Smith has, you will see it has incorporated many philosophical and metaphysical assumptions. The ghosts of Descartes and Bacon and Locke still haunt it.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    All done the ages to philosophise was to think, it was left to the 20th century not to think and call it philosophy. - As a wise man once said.

    As 'natural science' is but the application of reason to observation, and this reason too always makes certain pre-empirical assumptions about nature(like the nature of causality and on things like Cartesianism and so forth), then natural science must be subjective as well. In fact if one investigates the philosophy of science, as say the Catholic mathematician and physicist Wolfgang Smith has, you will see it has incorporated many philosophical and metaphysical assumptions. The ghosts of Descartes and Bacon and Locke still haunt it.
    Science must, to be science, challenge the initial assumptions.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you oppose all marriage? And all displays of sexuality in public? And even hints of them, like holding hands, kissing,etc?

    Oh, plus you're a libertarian.
    Wow___How in the world did you ever get this from my post?___You guys never fail to amaze and amuse me misterman.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Science must, to be science, challenge the initial assumptions.
    It can certainly challenge some of them, although in many ways it is tied to them. So, although it is so tied to Cartesianism, which helped make it what it is, it might try and extricate itself from Descartes' grip. Quantum physics has forced physics to loosen the grip of some of these assumptions, though apparently even after this the solutions to it are still intertwined with these assumptions(and which some have suggested is one reason why it is so hard to assimilate Quantum physics into scientific understanding, as Richard Feyman said, or is supposed to have, no one understand quantum physics.).

    It cannot however, while being a quantitative, observational based, analytical inquiry into the natural world stop being these a quantitative, observational based, analytical inquiry into the natural world.

    In fact, though it could have been set up better ,natural science deals with the rational arrangement of observations about the corporeal, external world. It is not its field to deal with many of the issues brought up by say the assumptions of positivism or Cartesianism. That is the job of philosophy and metaphysics. To use the tools of natural science, would make little sense in these domains. Though of course in modern popular thought, and popularisation of science, this attempted colonisation happens all the time(witness the likes of Richard Dawkins).
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Wow___How in the world did you ever get this from my post?
    I didn't. I'm asking you. You are the one who went on about other people's sexual practices being in your face.

    Liberals have this amazing ability to mentally pound any shape peg into any shape hole and convince themself it's a perfect fit.
    I'm not a liberal.

    So what's your problem with homosexuality again?
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I didn't. I'm asking you. You are the one who went on about other people's sexual practices being in your face.



    I'm not a liberal.

    So what's your problem with homosexuality again?
    My apologies misterman.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    My apologies misterman.
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    If you are offended by being falsely labeled a "Liberal"(and I wouldnt blame you) it might be wise to publicly post your politics to avoid further confusion.
    I am not offended, I am simply saying it is irrelevant. Simply debate the issue.

    Now, what was your problem with homosexuality again?
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I am not offended, I am simply saying it is irrelevant. Simply debate the issue.
    It was totally relevant because the point I made was a direct cause and effect of liberalism as it related to your post.

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    Now, what was your problem with homosexuality again?
    Rather than have me repeat myself, you should research me and find out for yourself.

    (you might learn something in the process)
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What's a party platform?
    It's a lengthy, tiresome document that is tediously drawn up by committee at a party convention, published in the papers, then filed away and completely forgotten.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    It was totally relevant because the point I made was a direct cause and effect of liberalism as it related to your post.
    Of course all the good that is America is due to conservatism.

    Honestly, you really are deluding yourself.

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