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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Who said anything about hating them? Who said anything about burning them at the stake?

    Oh wait, it was YOU.
    I just took your hyperbolic rhetoric and dehumanization to the next level. These awful christians having opinions you don't agree with and forcing you to follow their fairy tale book. You wouldn't fight with all your ability against such oppression? If I were a slave to forces I disagree with as vehemently as you do, you better believe I would fight back.

    You already argue that definitions in Webster's dictionary are wrong.
    Which definition did I argue?

    And by the way, homosexual behavior is still illegal in 3 states. and several southern states still attempt to enforce arcane laws.
    Open my eyes then. When was the last time a homosexual was arrested in the US due to being in a homosexual relationship? I mean if those laws are still being enforced, it must be pretty darn common.

    And there's plenty of right wing lunatics that want it illegal.
    8 years ago. I already indicated there was a time that majorities wanted gay relationships illegal. I also indicated that has since changed. Do you have anything more recent? There was an 8 percent change between the 2002 and 2003 results. 8 years can have resulted in additional significant changes. I am not aware of any right wing christians that currently say homosexuals should be rounded up. I am sure some fanatics like that exist, but it's not at all common anymore.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Even more... 6/21/2010

    the Texas GOP platform goes even further in attacking homosexuals, adding:

    We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country₄s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable ₓalternative₝ lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should ₓfamily₝ be redefined to include homosexual ₓcouples.₝ We are opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.
    TX GOP platform: Re-criminalize sodomy, make gay marriage a felony | The Raw Story

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Who said anything about hating them? Who said anything about burning them at the stake?

    Oh wait, it was YOU.

    As to the difference of opinion, that isn't the issue. It's the infliction of your opinion that infriges on the lifestyle and the rights of others. Gay behavior has ZERO impact on you. Your "opinion" and its enactment has massive impact on gay people.

    Really a simple concept. Yet so difficult to comprehend for some.




    You already argue that definitions in Webster's dictionary are wrong. As if it would matter?

    And by the way, homosexual behavior is still illegal in 3 states. and several southern states still attempt to enforce arcane laws.

    And there's plenty of right wing lunatics that want it illegal.

    Montana GOP: Ban homosexuality
    The official party platform declares an intent to make being gay illegal


    Montana GOP: Ban homosexuality - Republican Party - Salon.com
    Certainly things are changing, but a very large percentage of people still think gay behavior should be illegal. Wanna bet the majority of those folks are in fact Right Wing Christians?


    Gallup has been polling American adults since 1977 to learn their belief whether homosexual activity should be criminalized:
    Date Legal Not legal No opinion
    1977-JUN 43% 43 14
    1982-JUN 45 39 16
    1985-NOV 44 47 9
    1986-JUL 32 57 11
    1986-SEP 33 54 13
    1987-MAR 33 55 12
    1988-JUL 35 57 11
    1989-OCT 47 36 17
    1992-JUN 48 44 8
    1996-NOV 47 47 9
    1999-FEB 50 43 7
    2001-MAY 54 42 4
    2002-MAY 52 43 5
    2003-MAY 60 35 5
    Polls on most homosexuality topics show a gradual acceptance of homosexual orientation over time. The question of whether to legalize or criminalize homosexual behavior shows a curious anomaly. In the early 1980s, acceptance of homosexual behavior took a nosedive and did not recover until sometime between mid 1988 and the fall of 1989. The Gallup Organization attributes this temporary reversal to either the "conservative environment ushered in by the Reagan administration, or the beginning of widespread publicity surrounding AIDS..."

    U.S. public opinion polls on homosexuality


    You found even better (in other words, worse) stuff than I thought was possible. Thanks for looking!
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    Even more... 6
    Did you actually read what you copied? Not sure if you noticed, but that does not state that sodomy should be illegal. Also, the USSC has already ruled and said that is unconstitutional to ban it.

    Now, do you have anything more recent from Gallup? they apparently take the poll every year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Did you actually read what you copied?
    You asking me to read what I put up? Priceless. Clearly you haven't read it at all.


    Not sure if you noticed, but that does not state that sodomy should be illegal.
    As if the legislation wasn't repugnant enough without it? Really?

    You do realize this is a step backwards right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You asking me to read what I put up? Priceless. Clearly you haven't read it at all.




    As if the legislation wasn't repugnant enough without it? Really?

    You do realize this is a step backwards right?
    Yes, I read the text that you copied, and it doesn't say that sodomy should be illegal. Secondly, it's not legislation. It's simply the Texas GOP's platform. So, yes. I really do have my doubts you actually read the text you copied. Lastly, it's only your opinion that the platform is repugnant. A lot of Americans agree with the TX platform that you posted - no gay marriage, no gay adoption, protection of people that, due to faith, disagree with homosexuality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, I read the text that you copied, and it doesn't say that sodomy should be illegal. Secondly, it's not legislation. It's simply the Texas GOP's platform.
    Yeah - a legislative proposal.

    So, yes. I really do have my doubts you actually read the text you copied. Lastly, it's only your opinion that the platform is repugnant. A lot of Americans agree with the TX platform that you posted - no gay marriage, no gay adoption, protection of people that, due to faith, disagree with homosexuality.
    It's still repugnant. And if it's not, why are you trying to deny it exists or deny it's scope?
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    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah - a legislative proposal.
    Um.. Yeah. Not quite. It's simply the GOP' parties platform that can provide funding to republican candidates if they agree to a certain number of the statements. They do not have to agree to all of the points. Do you have any evidence that any TX republican has even signed onto the statement that you find so objectionable. I doubt any have. It's just carryovers from a while ago.

    It's still repugnant. And if it's not, why are you trying to deny it exists or deny it's scope?
    The text that he copied is, IMO, not repugnant. It's just something that you and he disagree with. If the TX GOP platform was to outlaw sodomy, which is not illustrated in anything he copied, I disagree with that stance. Again, though, just because it's in teh platform does not mean a single republican candidate has signed onto that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Um.. Yeah. Not quite. It's simply the GOP' parties platform that can provide funding to republican candidates if they agree to a certain number of the statements. They do not have to agree to all of the points. Do you have any evidence that any TX republican has even signed onto the statement that you find so objectionable? I doubt any have. It's just carryovers from a while ago.



    The text that he copied is, IMO, not repugnant. It's just something that you and he disagree with.
    You just have to love the arguing minutia. Who's kidding whom here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    You just have to love the arguing minutia. Who's kidding whom here?
    Facts=minutia. It's simply a fact that the republican texas platform is not legislation. It's also a simple fact that the portion on sodomy (that you didn't even copy and apparently didn't even realize it) is just a carry-over from when the supreme court ruled that it was constitutional, many years ago.

    As I indicated a while ago, society used to be in favor of anti homosex laws. That has changed. In an attempt to show that it hasn't changed, you provided a party platform that is just a carry over from before that attitude has changed. You haven't provided a shred of proof that any republican has signed onto that platform point. I would be willing to bet that none have.

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