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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    You're not going to compare having children recite the national anthem with having a mother use her innocent children as a political pawn and expect to come out unscathed. You can do that with others, but not with me. These are two, clearly different things and you know it.
    No, the comparison is good. You just don't like it.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I disagree with that opinion. But you are entitled to it.
    Ironic that you put those two sentences together, huh?

    And does this mean you do think someone should tell you who you should marry?

    Good. I've got a list of some heterosexual marriages that disgust me and should be banned. Old ladies with young men, and vice versa, for instance. That's just about money, not love.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, the comparison is good. You just don't like it.
    Incorrect. That comparison is ridiculous and I don't have time for such absurd claims. It's like you're saying America is absurd for using its children as political pawns to recite the national anthem in public schools. Last I checked, parents from many ideologies in America have no problem with this. Your comparison fails, and it truly is not worth the effort. If someone else want to refute that ludicrous claim then so be it.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Ironic that you put those two sentences together, huh?And does this mean you do think someone should tell you who you should marry?
    Yes, currently the states have the right to tell someone that they can not marry an individual of the same sex.
    Good. I've got a list of some heterosexual marriages that disgust me and should be banned. Old ladies with young men, and vice versa, for instance. That's just about money, not love.
    You are free to that opinion.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Incorrect. That comparison is ridiculous and I don't have time for such absurd claims. It's like you're saying America is absurd for using its children as political pawns to recite the national anthem in public schools. Last I checked, parents from many ideologies in America have no problem with this. Your comparison fails, and it truly is not worth the effort. If someone else want to refute that ludicrous claim then so be it.
    That's a complete non-sequitur (in other words, that has nothing to do with anything).
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's a complete non-sequitur (in other words, that has nothing to do with anything).
    Are you going to say that having children recite the national anthem is the exact same thing as the woman in this topic, who used her child as a political pawn, is the exact same thing?

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Incorrect. That comparison is ridiculous and I don't have time for such absurd claims. It's like you're saying America is absurd for using its children as political pawns to recite the national anthem in public schools.
    Well, yeah.

    Last I checked, parents from many ideologies in America have no problem with this.
    That's not an argument.
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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Well, yeah.
    I don't believe they are the exact same thing. I think that's a hyper-partisan claim.

    Let's make a thread about it and see how that stands, and what other arguments manifest relating to this.

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Are you going to say that having children recite the national anthem is the exact same thing as the woman in this topic, who used her child as a political pawn, is the exact same thing?
    Aren't kids essentially be used as pawns in both cases? What exactly is the difference? Hell's bells, maybe we should keep kids from participating in political protests and from holding signs.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Just Plain Wrong

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Yes, currently the states have the right to tell someone that they can not marry an individual of the same sex.
    That wasn't my question.

    I asked you if the state should tell you who you can marry. Not just tell you it can't be another man.
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