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Unbelievable what police in Madison Wisconsin just did

What was the economic status and path of Wisconsin before Walker was elected? What is their current and future economic outlook? Thats should the be the governments job and responsibility. If the people of Wisconsin want to all jump into a grave and dig it 40 foot deep, good for them. I only hope and pray the fed doesnt step in to bail them out when/if they go bankrupt, and I hope their grandkids **** on their graves when they get stuck having to pay for their continued irresponsibility and stupidity.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Hah! Beautiful. That's great.

There is a point at which being unbiased is no longer the right thing to do. Sometimes the best thing to do when significant harm is being done is to stand up. This has happened in the military, the police force, and journalists - three professions which take their ethics and duties so seriously they're nearly neurotic about it, at least if they're any good.
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this is very incorrect. in fact, it is dangerous. A non-political security forces obeying civilian political leadership representing the populace at large is a critical element for the survival of freedom and democracy.

And yet some of their very finest moments are when they recognize it is time to stand up.
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and how would you like it if the US Military decided that civilian leadership had obviously demonstrated its' incapacity to effectively govern the country, and it was time to 'stand up'? I'm thinking you might not appreciate our decision to transfer you to living under a junta.

our civil force is and must remain a-political if you want Liberal (old meaning) Governance to survive.

To do their jobs to the best of their ability, sometimes they have to break rank.

I don't begrudge them that. It's not something to be taken lightly. But when it needs to be done, it needs to be done. Sometimes things get so out of control that being impartial is more harmful than helpful.
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if they feel so important about it, then they should be willing to be arrested, fired, and tried for it.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
NOT When you're on duty and in uniform in the Capitol Building.

Outside of that I have no problem with what they say or do.
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You assumed that they were on duty just because they were wearing their uniforms? You are going to have to prove they were doing this on duty and not on their own time.

EDIT: I just saw another comment in this thread. Please don't tell me I just got punk'd by Youtube. LOL.
 
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danarhea said:
You assumed that they were on duty just because they were wearing their uniforms? You are going to have to prove they were doing this on duty and not on their own time.

EDIT: I just saw another comment in this thread. Please don't tell me I just got punk'd by Youtube. LOL.
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So, will you at least admit they were on duty after all. ;)
 
danarhea said:
You assumed that they were on duty just because they were wearing their uniforms? You are going to have to prove they were doing this on duty and not on their own time.

EDIT: I just saw another comment in this thread. Please don't tell me I just got punk'd by Youtube. LOL.
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All I can go by is what I see, and what I see is uniformed officers of the state in the Capitol building taking a political stance.

If they want to take off the uniforms, declare they are police officers and do what they did I'm all in favour of that.

But I have a problem with people doing it in the State uniform of an institution that is supposed to be a-political.

I would have a problem with it no matter how much I agree or disagree with the message.
 
buck said:
I finally watched it, and the video is being run in reverse. You can see people walking backwards. The police were taking it down, not utting it up. Too funny.
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yep, noticed that right away. very cleverly made though
 
the_recruit said:
yep, noticed that right away. very cleverly made though
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I fish...a lot. You can blame the poor unsuspecting fish that gets hooked by a sneaky lure, but its hard to have much sympathy for the moronic dorkfish that swims after a bare hook BEGGING to get caught. The people that fell for this video have pretty consistently proven themselves to be...well...dorkfish.
 
I don't understand why anyone (least of all so-called "liberals") would want to waste taxpayer money on public unions instead of spending it to, you know, actually HELP people in need. I mean, I can understand the unions themselves raising hell about the prospect of not getting the taxpayers to overpay for their services...I just don't understand why anyone ELSE would support them.

Meh, whatever. If the people of Wisconsin want to waste their limited tax dollars overpaying public employees instead of getting more public services, I guess that's their business. :shrug:
 
buck said:
I finally watched it, and the video is being run in reverse. You can see people walking backwards. The police were taking it down, not utting it up. Too funny.
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Jetboogieman said:
Union or Not, it is police responsibility to defend the democratically elected government and not get involved in politics.
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How was Walker being put in physical danger by this sign?

Also, I'm starting to wonder if they weren't told the sign said REJOICE and just didn't bother to look at it when they hung it.

But you think someone would come running up the stairs to the tell them. Maybe no one in that building likes Walker.
 
hazlnut said:
How was Walker being put in physical danger by this sign?

Also, I'm starting to wonder if they weren't told the sign said REJOICE and just didn't bother to look at it when they hung it.

But you think someone would come running up the stairs to the tell them. Maybe no one in that building likes Walker.
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dude. read the thread. the video's fake. it's footage of police taking DOWN the banner being played in reverse.
 
cpwill said:
I know quite a few cops who are tea party sympathizers, and more than a few military members who are as well.

methinks once again you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Tea Party membership. you do realize that you can't just read public union diatribes and pass that off as evidence? The Tea Party is an interest group pushing for less government. Public Sector Unions have a strongly vested interest in more government. The latter is not exactly going to be straightforward about the former.
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You do realize who you know that are police and military that are teaparty sympathizers encompass's a very small circle of people right..? your perception is just that, just like mine...
When I talk about the teaparty it is not about indvidual voters that agree with them...I refer to the teaparty identified politicians and their rhetoric Cpwill.
Whether you want to admit or not...or anyone else that enjoys seeing public workers attacked...they provide a service to all of you and they get up everyday and go to work...they are not getting anything for free...
This is mostly all jealousy and misinformation and denial that the public sector workforce has been SCREWED royally by the teaparty types...who cheerlead for the CEOs...the fundamental creed of the teaparty is they want no new taxs and tax cuts and want that taken from everything middleclass under the guise of smaller govt and debt reduction, taking from SS..Medicare and public workers when its really about them wanting more.....you like many other CP just refuse to acknowledge that its the middleclass private sector that has taken the bashing ..and the rich have just gotten fabulously richer some of which has been at their expense...
Ill keep my point of view, until you can actually say something that can convince me to change my mind....if you want to think the teaparty is an interest group...and not an instrument of the rich and the far right. to force the gop further to the right then fine...we have a difference of opinion
 
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lpast said:
When I talk about the teaparty it is not about indvidual voters that agree with them...I refer to the teaparty identified politicians and their rhetoric Cpwill.
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Then maybe you should identify in your posts that you are talking about them specifically. Otherwise you're just lumping everyone under the same roof. And that tends to send a different message than identifying specific people.
 
lpast said:
You do realize who you know that are police and military that are teaparty sympathizers encompass's a very small circle of people right..?
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well, the cops I know are all veterans and family, so it's a smaller circle. but inside the military, you get a lot more conservatives than any other types, and definitely alot more tea party than non.

When I talk about the teaparty it is not about indvidual voters that agree with them...I refer to the teaparty identified politicians and their rhetoric Cpwill.
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what, you mean like Colonel Alan West?

Whether you want to admit or not...or anyone else that enjoys seeing public workers attacked...they provide a service to all of you and they get up everyday and go to work...they are not getting anything for free...
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<---- I"m a public worker, lpast. actually, scratch that, I'm a public servant. not a public master or a public opponent. that i why i do not unionize.

This is mostly all jealousy and misinformation and denial that the public sector workforce has been SCREWED royally by the teaparty types...who cheerlead for the CEOs...the fundamental creed of the teaparty is they want no new taxs and tax cuts and want that taken from everything middleclass under the guise of smaller govt and debt reduction, taking from SS..Medicare and public workers when its really about them wanting more.....you like many other CP just refuse to acknowledge that its the middleclass private sector that has taken the bashing ..and the rich have just gotten fabulously richer some of which has been at their expense...
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actually the incomes of the higher earners dropped more than the standard for middle class during the Recession - due mostly to their being more dependent on the market for their income.

what you seem to refuse to acknowledge is that "public sector unions" =/= "the middle class". what's good for the public sector union isn't necessarily good for the middle class, and what is bad for the public sector union isn't bad for the middle class. their interests are, in fact, far more at odds.

Ill keep my point of view, until you can actually say something that can convince me to change my mind....if you want to think the teaparty is an interest group...and not an instrument of the rich and the far right. to force the gop further to the right then fine...we have a difference of opinion
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:roll: an instrument of the rich.... cmon man, don't you realize how crazy you sound? next you'll be telling us about a secret international cabal that controls the freemasons and pulled off the 9/11 attacks. The Tea Party is no more an instrument of the conservative rich than OWS is an instrument of the liberal rich.
 
danarhea said:
The police ARE defending democratically elected government by helping to recall Walker.
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I was under the impression that Walker is the duly and democratically elected governor of the state. And will be until and if a recall petition is successful.
 
MrVicchio said:
Resume Unions Deals that the state cannot afford!
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So do you think the State of Wisconsin has the right to reneg on its word? They negotiated and signed contracts, and should honor them.

But really, your view is overly simplistic. The Unions had already agreed to cuts that would save the state money. That wasn't enough for Walker. He couldn't take his cost savings and say "Job well done." No, he was willing to let the cost savings go down the toilet just so he could fulfill his wet dream about busting the Union.

If you lived anywhere near Wisconsin, you'd know this. Instead, you got your info from what Fox News covered of it.
 
rocket88 said:
So do you think the State of Wisconsin has the right to reneg on its word? They negotiated and signed contracts, and should honor them.
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No contracts were signed. That is what started all this. Negotiating new contracts because the old ones were about to expire.

rocket88 said:
But really, your view is overly simplistic. The Unions had already agreed to cuts that would save the state money. That wasn't enough for Walker. He couldn't take his cost savings and say "Job well done." No, he was willing to let the cost savings go down the toilet just so he could fulfill his wet dream about busting the Union.
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Yes they did. And no doubt the moment that the economy in Wisconsin looked good they would ask for more money at the next negotiation and all that was gained would go down the crapper. Which is probably what Walker was trying to stop. After all, why use a bandaid when stitches would work better?

rocket88 said:
If you lived anywhere near Wisconsin, you'd know this. Instead, you got your info from what Fox News covered of it.
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Funny how you assume that he got his info from Fox News just because you don't like what he said.
 
Oh, good grief... it's a joke! I sincerely apologize to anyone who watched this and thought I was attempting to pass it off as real. The Capitol Police were most definitely NOT displaying a RECALL banner (it seemed obvious to me, but apparently it wasn't to everyone). In the future, I'll create a separate youtube channel (a la theonion.com) if I want to post a "fake" video. (By the way, thanks to those who posted positive comments!)

ladyforward1 10 hours ago 4 The Capitol Police deck the halls... - YouTube
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Ladyforward1 is the YouTube poster that made and posted this fake video. It always amazes me how gullible some adults can be....
 
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rocket88 said:
So do you think the State of Wisconsin has the right to reneg on its word? They negotiated and signed contracts, and should honor them.
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They are honoring the contracts they made. Which is why some districts, the ones that rushed contract renewals through prior to Act 10 taking effect, are having problems making budget.

But really, your view is overly simplistic. The Unions had already agreed to cuts that would save the state money. That wasn't enough for Walker. He couldn't take his cost savings and say "Job well done." No, he was willing to let the cost savings go down the toilet just so he could fulfill his wet dream about busting the Union.
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The union's agreement was simply lip service. The union's had no intention of giving up anything. You can find evidence in the fact that the union's that had their contracts renegotiated prior to Act10 have stated the will not reopen the contract to allow increased contributions for pension or health care benefits in order to help fix district's budgets or allow them to not have to fire teachers.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Then maybe you should identify in your posts that you are talking about them specifically. Otherwise you're just lumping everyone under the same roof. And that tends to send a different message than identifying specific people.
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I agree kal i do have a problem with clarity and I apologize for that....too many emotionless reports written...I acknowledge that I have that fault...
 
Kal'Stang said:
Yes they did. And no doubt the moment that the economy in Wisconsin looked good they would ask for more money at the next negotiation and all that was gained would go down the crapper. Which is probably what Walker was trying to stop. After all, why use a bandaid when stitches would work better?
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That sounds like Bush's tax cuts. "The economy is great, now let's cut taxes." Now we can't afford it, and we can't raise taxes even if we need to. They might very well ask for more when the economy is better. Most people make more money when the economy is good, why should teachers and other public employees be different?



Funny how you assume that he got his info from Fox News just because you don't like what he said.
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I suppose it's possible that he got it from conservative blogs, etc. However, what was said shows that he was very misinformed, and only knew what the official conservative line was, not the actual facts.
 
buck said:
They are honoring the contracts they made. Which is why some districts, the ones that rushed contract renewals through prior to Act 10 taking effect, are having problems making budget.
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Well then it sounds like those districts shouldn't have come to such a hasty agreement.



The union's agreement was simply lip service. The union's had no intention of giving up anything. You can find evidence in the fact that the union's that had their contracts renegotiated prior to Act10 have stated the will not reopen the contract to allow increased contributions for pension or health care benefits in order to help fix district's budgets or allow them to not have to fire teachers.
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Of course they had those clauses. The Unions tried to make agreements that favored them, it's not rocket science. School boards are elected to keep these things in mind, that's their job. The Union's job is to try to get what they can for their members.
 
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