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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I can't disagree. My concern is too many today would say let me opt out, and 20 years from now say I am broke, the govt needs to help me. Your idea would work if people would really be accountable for their own actions. Many do not want to be.
    That mike is a fantastic point to make...the people that whine about paying for SS now and medicare who say they dont want it or need it...need to remember theres no guarantees and theres thousands upon thousands of RICH bankruptcy lawyers for those that lost all their wealth...for whatever reasons.

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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i have had a slight change of heart on unemployment benefits. i believe that after a year, they should be halved, and at 2 years, they should end.
    Liblady ive always had concerns about unemployment being extended indefinitely...the problem is there is no doubt people that dont look for work because they are getting the check...but on the other hand theres families with kids that have one spouse working that just doesnt make enough to near float the ship...and another that cant find work...Its a tough one for me.

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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    .... then I would have to ask where you see this coming from. Most Republicans are generally okay with how the House Leadership has held up since the spring debacle.



    the problem being, of course, that that narrative is a lie.

    Republicans were willing to start with the Bowles Simpson Commission. Democrats said "no".
    The House has passed a budget which would have saved us from a downgrade. The Senate said "no".
    The House has passed no less than 20 jobs bills to which the Senate said "no".
    House Republicans have offered no less than three major compromises which would have included net effective tax rate increases, to which Obama and the Senate have said "no.

    in fact, there is only one thing Republicans have said "no" consistently to over the past year - and that is the continued Democrat insistence on doing nothing without a minimum Trillion dollar tax hike.



    which they propose to pay for by holding federal civilian employee wages flat for 5 years. going to be interesting to see how you spin it if democrats say "no" to that.

    I disagree most republicans are not ok with the stonewalling by the teaparty....

    The bigger story here is that the moderates are pushing the leadership to stop the stonewalling...this decision was not made by boehner an cantor they were pushed into it...there was even talk about leadership challenges....
    Rep Tunney <R> is writing a compromise bill with Claire McCaskill D that they are confident they can get support for...there are other GOP congressman coming out publically and indicating their willingness to compromise and their realization its necessary.
    I believe compromise is precisely what we need to start getting out of this mess...the teaparty pledges and No taxs never and all the other crap is just that...and the same with the other side....
    If most of the GOP wanted the stonewalling...there would be these indications of compromise...
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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Liblady ive always had concerns about unemployment being extended indefinitely...the problem is there is no doubt people that dont look for work because they are getting the check...but on the other hand theres families with kids that have one spouse working that just doesnt make enough to near float the ship...and another that cant find work...Its a tough one for me.
    when all is said and done, some people will have to reduce their standard of living, at least for awhile. there is work out there, just not great wages in a lot of cases. you do what you can. i have no probelm with soeone trying to hold out for a better job (for a reasonable period) , but i am a little tired of hearing that there are NO jobs. if we reduced benefits at a year, more people WOULD find work.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    when all is said and done, some people will have to reduce their standard of living, at least for awhile. there is work out there, just not great wages in a lot of cases. you do what you can. i have no probelm with soeone trying to hold out for a better job (for a reasonable period) , but i am a little tired of hearing that there are NO jobs. if we reduced benefits at a year, more people WOULD find work.
    Umm people that are on unemployment are living a reduced standard of living...keep in mind...everyone doesnt get maximum benefits most do not get the maximum...no one gets what they were making before layoff...

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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Umm people that are on unemployment are living a reduced standard of living...keep in mind...everyone doesnt get maximum benefits most do not get the maximum...no one gets what they were making before layoff...
    i understand that. i just think people need to face facts and get what jobs they can. i would rather see someone working for minimum wage than getting it from the taxpayers.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i understand that. i just think people need to face facts and get what jobs they can. i would rather see someone working for minimum wage than getting it from the taxpayers.
    No doubt...I agree...its not a taxpayer provided job...its a ltemporary lifeline...but unemployment hasnt been this high or up so long in my lifetime

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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    when all is said and done, some people will have to reduce their standard of living, at least for awhile. there is work out there, just not great wages in a lot of cases. you do what you can. i have no probelm with soeone trying to hold out for a better job (for a reasonable period) , but i am a little tired of hearing that there are NO jobs. if we reduced benefits at a year, more people WOULD find work.
    There just aren't enough jobs to go around. The benefits-reduction idea would work fine in an economy that was already at full employment, where the only people out of work were the lazy folks who weren't looking very hard. But with unemployment near 9% that logic doesn't really apply, because the issue isn't that people aren't looking for work, it's that there isn't enough work available.

    All taking away unemployment benefits will do is further impoverish those who are down on their luck, and reduce aggregate demand which will therefore make a double-dip recession more likely.
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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    No doubt...I agree...its not a taxpayer provided job...its a ltemporary lifeline...but unemployment hasnt been this high or up so long in my lifetime
    well yeah. we haven't seen an extension of the amount of time we are willing to pay someone not to work to this limit in your lifetime, either.

    wonder if the two are connected.

    alabama farmers are desperate to hire... oddly, all those unemployed people seem to think farm labor is beneath them.

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    Re: GOP gets ready to say 'yes'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    alabama farmers are desperate to hire... oddly, all those unemployed people seem to think farm labor is beneath them.
    It may also be related to the logistics of moving families across the country to do some seasonal work.
    I may be wrong.

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