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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Let's put it this way. Just because you have communists in your movement doesn't make your cause any less just or legitimate. If people think OWS or the civil rights movement don't have a legitimate message, that's on them. Just like the Tea Party's message about government spending and waste isn't irrelevant just because there's some idiots with racist signs at tea party rallies.
    it's a personal decision whether or not to assign more or less legitimacy to a movement based on it's participants... people have every right to decide for themselves whether commies in the midst cheapen the movement... or even Conservatives in the midst.. or whatever.

    FWIW, I don't associate myself with the Tea Party or the OWS... primarily because of their participants... i think they are both chock full of people I can only describe as .. nucking futs.
    populist emotions don't move me.

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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it's a personal decision whether or not to assign more or less legitimacy to a movement based on it's participants... people have every right to decide for themselves whether commies in the midst cheapen the movement... or even Conservatives in the midst.. or whatever.

    FWIW, I don't associate myself with the Tea Party or the OWS... primarily because of their participants... i think they are both chock full of people I can only describe as .. nucking futs.
    populist emotions don't move me.
    Sure, it's a personal decision. But saying "That movement's message is full of **** because they have commies in their midst" isn't a sound argument, is the point.
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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    So, you're okay with moral hazard, bailing out failed business institutions, but people who think their entitled to a bail-out..excuse me, hand-out...are garbage?
    Go back and look at post 38 (I quoted it in my post) and tell me what about it specifically should be answered. I didn't call anyone 'garbage' but I do think people should work to advance themselves rather than count on the government. I also believe that businesses that cannot compete should fail, like Solyndra for example.

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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Sure, it's a personal decision. But saying "That movement's message is full of **** because they have commies in their midst" isn't a sound argument, is the point.
    the world isn't run on sound arguments...just sayin'

    there are few, if any, politically minded people who do not dismiss movements based on the politics of the participants of said movement.
    i've yet to see a liberal who lent any credibility to the Tea party, for instance.... even those whom are now telling us that Communists in the midst shouldn't count against the OWS.
    it's the nature of the political mind, nobody is immune.

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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Go back and look at post 38 (I quoted it in my post) and tell me what about it specifically should be answered. I didn't call anyone 'garbage' but I do think people should work to advance themselves rather than count on the government. I also believe that businesses that cannot compete should fail, like Solyndra for example.
    To dodge with a snide remark is not to answer.

    You did not answer. You avoided and hid from the post like many in this thread.

    What about business that over leverage themselves and then can't pay their debts?

    Should they be allowed to fail?

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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Wait, wait, wait... Hold it AC.

    It would seem some people think the country owes them a bail-out.

    The winners, the job-creators, ran the system into the ground and then blackmailed the treasury into giving them money to pay off bad debts $1:1.

    Too big to fail? Please tell me the ultra-conservative memory isn't that short....

    Those really successful people at AIG, Leman Bros, GM, Chrysler...
    I'm thinking you are confused.

    OWS Argument: I deserve a Bailout
    Conservative Argument: No One deserves a Bailout.

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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Wait, wait, wait... Hold it AC.

    It would seem some people think the country owes them a bail-out.

    The winners, the job-creators, ran the system into the ground and then blackmailed the treasury into giving them money to pay off bad debts $1:1.

    Too big to fail? Please tell me the ultra-conservative memory isn't that short....

    Those really successful people at AIG, Leman Bros, GM, Chrysler...


    We just found out the treasury has secretly continued giving banks loans at 0.01%...
    Post #38
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    I wouldn't wait for a rational response to this post from conservatives/libertarians. It ain't gonna happen.
    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    #38 still skipped and ignored by Cons.
    I don't get it...#38 was not your post???? There was no question in #38. And further what is the question in #37? Too big to fail? If so what year did this bank bail-out occur?...2008? Who writes the checks? Congress? And which party held the majority in Congress in that year?

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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Wait, wait, wait... Hold it AC.

    It would seem some people think the country owes them a bail-out.
    Who exactly? People with underwater mortgages? Students with $100k in debt? Please be more clear on who thinks the country owes them a bail-out.

    The winners, the job-creators, ran the system into the ground and then blackmailed the treasury into giving them money to pay off bad debts $1:1.
    Gross oversimplification. Plenty of "winners, job-creators" who had nothing to do with the 2008 financial crisis. Blackmailed the treasury? Banks were forced to take TARP funds even though many of them opposed it.

    Too big to fail? Please tell me the ultra-conservative memory isn't that short....
    Non-sequitur? You're losing coherence fast.

    Those really successful people at AIG, Leman Bros, GM, Chrysler...
    Sure, plenty of successful people at all of those companies. Plenty of incompetent people as well.

    We just found out the treasury has secretly continued giving banks loans at 0.01%...
    Treasury had nothing to do with these loans. It's call the Federal Reserve. Kind of a big difference.
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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post

    I don't get it...#38 was not your post???? There was no question in #38. And further what is the question in #37? Too big to fail? If so what year did this bank bail-out occur?...2008? Who writes the checks? Congress? And which party held the majority in Congress in that year?
    You are correct in everything that you have said. Including my referring to post 38 when I meant 37. Thank you.

    But consider this...

    A ton of money-wealth was transferred upward so that over-leveraged businesses could pay off debt. Transfer of wealth. People who ran those over-leveraged companies gave themselves bonuses. As did the firms who held the debt. The firms who invested in over-leverged, loaning them money while hedging their bets with credit default swaps, a thing they invented. They received huge bonus compensation for failing (AIG) and inflating the bubble while betting on the No Pass Line. (Morgan Stanley) Because they felt they were entitled to it. Self-centered monsters?

    2010, who took over the house? The new folks in congress want to repeal the watered down Dodd-Frank and 'free up' the banks and investment firms to what? After we bailed them out, they continue to make huge profits. And God forbid we raise capital gains tax, or tax wealthy people, because they're the job creators...who are still benefitting from the Bush tax cuts but not 'creating' too many jobs. Because rolling back taxes to Clinton era rates (you know, when we had tremendous growth) would hurt small businesses??

    The bulk of the 2010 New Kids economic platform has been debunked and deboned by economists, fact-checkers, and the CBO. But they still persist. The wealthiest 1% is still untouchable.

    Those who paid themselves bonus compensation from Treasury funds. The hedge funds, investment houses, and banks that continue to prosper, after the U.S. Gov stopped the meltdown that wold have ended them, are, according to the GOP position, being unfairly demonized.

    The OWS protestor who wants a lot of the same things the Tea Party protestor wants -- accountability, no bail-outs, no moral hazard, no free lunches... Why are the OWS protestors the monsters?

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    Re: Adam Carolla: OWS Movement "Self-entitled monsters"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ending child labor: "self entitled monsters"
    Women can vote: "self entitled monsters"
    Civil rights for blacks: "self entitled monsters"

    Didn't the democrats vote against the civil rights bill? just sayin....
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