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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lets celebrate that property rights just got violated by the police! I got the keg!
    Absolute stances on an economic property rights principle can also equate to amorality.

    The police did NOT violate the property rights" of anyone. That is factually false. Let's at least get the amoral platitude of absolute property rights accurate. The police has no obiligation of any kind to the property owner NOR can police enforce civil property rights - ever. The ONLY obligation and duty of the police was to the court, not the property owner.

    Certain Police officers refused to act on a civil court order concerning real estate when doing so likely would have resulted in the imminent death of a 103 year old woman. Since it was not a death warrant, their actions (or rather inaction) was legally correct.

    To be technically accurate, the police officers refused to execute a civil court order. The only offense they committed, if any, was against the court, not the property owner. Thus it is for the civil court to decide if the officers were in contempt of the court. If the officers legitimately believed executing the eviction order would have killed the woman, their doing so would have exceeded the order of the court, given the court had not ordered the woman's death.

    NOW, though absolute platitudes are the favorites of the radical left and the radical right, the reality is that the police go to the judge explaining the situation. The judge then advises the property owner that due to the likelihood of death of the inhabitant the court is delaying the eviction until the appropriate social services can take steps for alternative housing. That's how it actually works and that is how is should work.
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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Even without the OWS protests, I would bet LE would have done the same. Not thrown her out. It has nothing to to with the 99%, but doing what was right for that situation.
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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Multiple home equity mortgages taken out on the assessed value of the home over the years. More than likely she'd paid for the house many times over, but those second and third mortgages will kill you.




    Ok, then where does it stop? I ask because we had a horrible tragedy in New Hampshire last year where we turned the POWER off to a home and ended up killing a woman on a ventilator. They hadn't paid ANYTHING in more than six months and also had not renewed the "medical account" listing for their home with us. At what point does NOT PAYING YOUR BILLS lead to actual CONSEQUENCES so far as you are concerned.
    Guess it stops at the point we dismantle capitalism, if that's the best capitalism can do.

    The complaints that socialism doesn't value human life goal ring hollow.
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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Guess it stops at the point we dismantle capitalism, if that's the best capitalism can do. The complaints that socialism doesn't value human life goal ring hollow.
    The problem is that there are certain things that people have come to think of as RIGHTS (a home, food, electricity, cable tv, etc....) that never were and never should have become RIGHTS. When you deal with these things you find yourself often caught between a rock and a hard place. Nobody ever WANTS to have to turn someone's power OFF, but there comes a point where it's the only option left to get a response from the people. We have rules and the state has rules about who we can't turn off for certain reasons. People will greatly take advantage of those policies when they can. To the point of passing babies out open windows between apartments in order to claim there's an infant (less than 1 year old) living there so we don't turn them off.

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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lets celebrate that property rights just got violated by the police! I got the keg!

    Just use mine. We had a party to celebrate all the BofA illegal foreclosures... You know, foreclosing on people who had never missed a payment.

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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Even without the OWS protests, I would bet LE would have done the same. Not thrown her out. It has nothing to to with the 99%, but doing what was right for that situation.
    The far-right doesn't like situational discretion. It's all or nothing.

    Apparently, to some people posting in this thread, Dickens Christmast Carol is a tragedy with an unhappy ending. The bold conservative was turned into a pansy liberal.
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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    This is a vicotry for OWS? This is absolutely some of the worst political garbage I've ever seen. Trying to link a normal eviction to OWS is just plain stupidity. There's no proof that they had any influence.
    It's just that the police was kind.
    OWS was never mentioned in the story. OWS is a far cry from representing the 99% and the occupation movement did not start in NY. it started in madison, WI last winter when the hippies occupied the state house in solidarity with the unions.

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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Even without the OWS protests, I would bet LE would have done the same. Not thrown her out. It has nothing to to with the 99%, but doing what was right for that situation.
    it has nothing to do with occupy wall street but everything to do with the 99%, though i would hope that you are right and there would have been compassion even if there were no protests.

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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    99% is synonymous for OWS. You can ask anyone what the 99% is, 99% will link that label to the OWS movement.
    not at all. i've been associated with the 'movement' since i found myself in the streets in the mid-80's as a result of bloated defense appropriations bills that eliminated the NIH and NSF funds that were paying my salary at utexas in a research lab.

    1% is being generous, too. there are less than 2,000 out of 7,000,000,000 people who are claiming title to most of the world's resources.

    what is happening is what the peace and freedom activists have been advocating for years. the economic injustice has just finally become so obvious that the people are taking to the streets.

    as i stated in another response, this didn't start in new york, but madison, wi last winter.

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    Re: A Victory for the 99%: Police Refuse to Evict 103 Year Old Woman

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Of course cops have hearts...but sometimes duty and orders over ride feelings...thats a part of what makes being a cop so friggin stressful...going against conscience can wreak havoc on your emotionally.
    there are reports of trouble in the ranks of the cops doing the raids on the occupy encampments. one was seen crying in seattle.

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