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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    quite as many? no. but we do have to maintain our presence world wide. global trade depends upon global security, and global security is held up by US forces. If we leave, others will not move to take up that role, but the world will rather break into mercantilist chunks as it spins into chaos. Our economy is utterly dependent on global trade, meaning that withdrawing our forward leaning defense posture (as these plans would likely require) is the financial equivalent of eating seed corn.
    As long as they know that we are willing to protect our interests we do not need nearly as many boots all over the world that we have now.

    no - the primary goal of the United States Military is mission accomplishment. sometimes that requires paying the piper. but if you are concerned about our lives, might I suggest you not support re-hollowing out the military so that we find ourselves in the future in another situation like Iraq 2004, when we had no armor for our vehicles or our bodies because of the previous decades' spending cuts. when you significantly reduce the US military, you make it more likely that they will have to be used, and you make it less likely that they will have the equipment necessary to do so with minimal loss of life. Take a look at that chart again and notice the drop in combat air support. the gap of that air support will be refilled with the bodies of the infantrymen who are now bereft.
    We can make large cuts and not affect readiness one bit in my opinion. There is so much waste and overlapping programs but nobody is willing to address it because it's the "military" and it's how so many politicians buy their votes.

    Take Haliburton. They were caught screwing the government many times over but we continued to hand out contracts to them. They should have been cut off long ago.

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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Compromise is in the air...lets hope so.

    House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is quietly working both sides of the Capitol to build support for a plan to scale back automatic spending cuts and combine the proposal with a wide range of critical year-end tax and spending measures.

    Cantor has spoken to senators from both parties including a Thanksgiving morning phone call to the Stamford, Conn., home of Sen. Joe Lieberman as he gauges support for a potential package that would include up to $133 billion in spending cuts in exchange for delaying the first year of slashes to defense and nondefense programs slated to begin in 2013. That package could also include a reform and a yearlong extension of jobless benefits, a payroll tax break and the Medicare reimbursement rate for physicians.
    So in other words a politician who is a leader in the party that is against government spending it can't pay for is trying to form a compromise in which Democrats are able to pursue government deficit spending they want in order to ensure that the Republicans are able to pursue the government deficit spending they want rather than make the hard decisions regarding real reform of government spending and increases in tax revenue.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    If you were all OLD and retired like me :P and were middle of the road and watched and read the news from both liberal moderate and conservative sources...you would find that more and more republicans are coming out and calling for compromise and working together.
    The moderate GOP are feeling the stonewalling and hardlining is going to hurt them not help in re elections...and I agree...
    I said earlier there is a tug of war going on in the GOP behind the scenes...and I predict the moderate traditional gop will win out in the end...
    I agree to the importance of compromise, so I'm with you on that.

    However, I think a better compromise would be selected government cuts with selected tax increases rather than continued government spending for both sides that cannot be paid for.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    As long as they know that we are willing to protect our interests we do not need nearly as many boots all over the world that we have now.
    being perceived as being willing to protect ones' interests is irrelevant unless we are perceived as being able to protect our interests. a threat is the willingness combined with the capability, and capability requires presence.

    we could probably reduce our land forces in many areas (Europe comes to mind), but we need to expand our Naval Presence in others (South West and East Asia).

    We can make large cuts and not affect readiness one bit in my opinion.
    .... then your opinion is objectively inaccurate?

    There is so much waste and overlapping programs but nobody is willing to address it because it's the "military" and it's how so many politicians buy their votes.
    well, okay, where do you see a combined $1 Trillion in waste in the DOD? Because apparently it's eluded the DOD itself. They think that Sequestration means this:












    hint: 143,000 soldiers, 57,000 Marines, 308 Naval ships, and a little over 3,000 combat aircraft is a lot of readiness.
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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    being perceived as being willing to protect ones' interests is irrelevant unless we are perceived as being able to protect our interests. a threat is the willingness combined with the capability, and capability requires presence.

    we could probably reduce our land forces in many areas (Europe comes to mind), but we need to expand our Naval Presence in others (South West and East Asia).
    I see no reason for that as there is nothing there that we are going to do anything about.

    .... then your opinion is objectively inaccurate?


    well, okay, where do you see a combined $1 Trillion in waste in the DOD? Because apparently it's eluded the DOD itself.
    I have no doubt that is true. Much like the thread where the economists being paid with education dollars believe that the best way out of our mess is with more education spending.

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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    So in other words a politician who is a leader in the party that is against government spending it can't pay for is trying to form a compromise in which Democrats are able to pursue government deficit spending they want in order to ensure that the Republicans are able to pursue the government deficit spending they want rather than make the hard decisions regarding real reform of government spending and increases in tax revenue.
    Uhhh yeah basically lol

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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I agree to the importance of compromise, so I'm with you on that.

    However, I think a better compromise would be selected government cuts with selected tax increases rather than continued government spending for both sides that cannot be paid for.
    I absolutely totally agree with you sam...that would be the perfect compromise, the problem is we will never get the GOP and dems to agree on what to cut...they will both have their druthers and nevers...its always been like that and always will....the difference today is we <the country> have never been this bad in debt or this much out of work ever...and their differences are more pronounced. Lets not forget you didnt have a far right teaparty faction in the house of representatives dictating that they want what they want and will settle for nothing less either...that has damaged the whole process greatly.

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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    You can call me biased for being a veteran..but I believe any cuts to the Military need to be done AFTER you have cut many other depts and unnecessary spending first. Cutting Military spending to the bone while you still have troops deploying constantly and still in country in combat..is INSANE as far as im concerned
    We could and should close all bases in germany, that exist soley to help the german economy. We can bring troops home from alot of places and close bases...Is it time for SKorea to start paying for us to assure their security from North Korea? I think so. Or let them spend some of the money they get from us buying their goods to develop their own military structure and defense. Those kind of cuts im for...but blanket across the board cuts to the military I believe should be secondary and further down the list with alot of other cuts ahead of them...my humble two cts.

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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    I absolutely totally agree with you sam...that would be the perfect compromise, the problem is we will never get the GOP and dems to agree on what to cut...they will both have their druthers and nevers...its always been like that and always will....the difference today is we <the country> have never been this bad in debt or this much out of work ever...and their differences are more pronounced. Lets not forget you didnt have a far right teaparty faction in the house of representatives dictating that they want what they want and will settle for nothing less either...that has damaged the whole process greatly.
    I think the American people are going to have to break the impasse by voting in a clear majority of one party or another in both houses of Congress.
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    Re: Eric Cantor floats year-end trigger bargain

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I think the American people are going to have to break the impasse by voting in a clear majority of one party or another in both houses of Congress.
    Seems they did that not long ago and really, did it do any good?

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