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    U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    The Obama Administration has abruptly sealed court records containing alarming details of how Mexican drug smugglers murdered a U.S. Border patrol agent with a gun connected to a failed federal experiment that allowed firearms to be smuggled into Mexico.
    This means information will now be kept from the public as well as the media. Could this be a cover-up on the part of the ďmost transparentĒ administration in history? After all, the rifle used to kill the federal agent (Brian Terry) last December in Arizonaís Peck Canyon was part of the now infamous Operation Fast and Furious. Conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the disastrous scheme allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico so they could eventually be traced to drug cartels.Instead, federal law enforcement officers lost track of more than 1,000 guns which have been used in numerous crimes. In Terryís case, five illegal immigrants armed with at least two semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and Terry got hit.
    We know this only because Washington D.C.ís conservative newspaper
    got ahold of the court documents before the government suddenly made them off limits. The now-sealed federal grand jury indictment tells the frightening story of how Terry was gunned down by Mexican drug smugglers patrolling the rugged desert with the intent to ďintentionally and forcibly assaultĒ Border Patrol agents.
    U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border PatrolSo, this is transparency?
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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obama is a Republocrat...did you really expect something other than the status quo?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Obama is a Republocrat...did you really expect something other than the status quo?
    Yes, I'm sorry I forgot, the parties are interchangebale and until I support the fringe Libertarian movement I won't see the light. Did you have anything useful to add to the thread btw?
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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Yes, I'm sorry I forgot, the parties are interchangebale and until I support the fringe Libertarian movement I won't see the light. Did you have anything useful to add to the thread btw?
    Nope. Just pointing out the obvious fact that the Republocrats are the status quo and proliferate the status quo and that you will not change the status quo by supporting the status quo.
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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope. Just pointing out the obvious fact that the Republocrats are the status quo and proliferate the status quo and that you will not change the status quo by supporting the status quo.
    Because as we all know, you cannot change a Party by actively working to support those elements in the Party that are positive, you must join with fringe movements that gain no traction, have values that you cannot stomach and fail at every try.
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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, they're protecting the identities of agents and CIs.

    I real newspaper would report the relevant details.

    You find one (false) example of a department under Obama withhold information and you use it to make an asinine comment about transparency.

    Fox News has taught you to ignore Obama's record in total and focus on some hyper-spun example.

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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Because as we all know, you cannot change a Party by actively working to support those elements in the Party that are positive, you must join with fringe movements that gain no traction, have values that you cannot stomach and fail at every try.
    You certainly don't have to. You can pretend that you can work inside the party to change it despite the fact that party leadership is already captured by forces much greater than yourself. You can delude yourself into thinking that by voting for the same people and the same party over and over again, that something is going to change. You can lie to yourself about standing now in a place of terribly large government, overly intrusive government, government we were supposed to fight against which was brought about by decades of Repbulocrat rule. You can pretend it didn't happen, that they Republocrats will save you from the Republocrats; pretend that you can get somewhere while on a merry-go-round. All your choice.

    But what you won't do by doing so is to change anything. You will not affect change by supporting no change. You're not going to "control your party from within", you just ain't got that power. Your vote isn't important so long as enough people can be convinced to put their heads in the sand and to support the Republocrats thinking that they will get something different than what the Republocrats have been providing for decades.
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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Rather than relying on a source that uses yellow journalism for political ends, we need to find out WHY the records were sealed, and who sealed them. It didn't take me long to find out. Obama did not seal the records.

    And that is exactly what happened. A Federal Judge, not Barack Obama, ordered the records sealed, because those records are part of an ongoing case against Osorio Arellanes, who is charged with 14 felonies, including murder, assault, weapons charges and illegal re-entry. There are also 4 others who are still at large.
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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Rather than relying on a source that uses yellow journalism for political ends, we need to find out WHY the records were sealed, and who sealed them. It didn't take me long to find out. Obama did not seal the records.


    And that is exactly what happened. A Federal Judge, not Barack Obama, ordered the records sealed, because those records are part of an ongoing case against Osorio Arellanes, who is charged with 14 felonies, including murder, assault, weapons charges and illegal re-entry. There are also 4 others who are still at large.
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    Re: U.S. Seals Court Records Of Border Patrolís Murder

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Rather than relying on a source that uses yellow journalism for political ends, we need to find out WHY the records were sealed, and who sealed them. It didn't take me long to find out. Obama did not seal the records.


    And that is exactly what happened. A Federal Judge, not Barack Obama, ordered the records sealed, because those records are part of an ongoing case against Osorio Arellanes, who is charged with 14 felonies, including murder, assault, weapons charges and illegal re-entry. There are also 4 others who are still at large.
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