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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yet you offer no evidence that it is wrong in this case. Either explain why its wrong or stop saying it is.
    read the Bill, as the paranoid interpretation of it is clearly wrong.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    read the Bill, as the paranoid interpretation of it is clearly wrong.
    What a completely lame circular argument.

    I read it. It says what I think it says. Either support your argument or stop wasting everyone's time.
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    What a completely lame circular argument.

    I read it. It says what I think it says. Either support your argument or stop wasting everyone's time.
    the Bill clealy exempts American citizens & legal aliens, from indefinite detention without charge or trial.

    if you can't see that, I can't help you.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47
    Read this: Quote, "ACLUs statement regarding that section ^^
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
    even the very-Liberal & biased ACLU is sometimes wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by misterman
    Yet you offer no evidence that it is wrong in this case. Either explain why its wrong or stop saying it is.
    It seems that the ACLU was not wrong when they issued this statement but is wrong now. For those unaware, bills migrate through many different wordings and forms while they are before Congress. This particular bill changed specifically regarding this section when it became known that there was no protection for U.S. citizens.

    The final bill as signed into law by the president is located at the GPO here. The section pertinent to this discussion is 1022 entitled Military custody for foreign al-Qaeda terrorists.

    Quote Originally Posted by NDAA Section 1022(b)(1)
    UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the Bill clealy exempts American citizens & legal aliens, from indefinite detention without charge or trial.

    if you can't see that, I can't help you.
    Please explain exactly why this is wrong. I hope it's wrong. But you haven't shown that it's wrong yet:

    “Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so. But you don’t have to believe us. Instead, read what one of the bill’s sponsors, Sen. Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Please explain exactly why this is wrong. I hope it's wrong. But you haven't shown that it's wrong yet:
    Read the previous post.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    It seems that the ACLU was not wrong when they issued this statement but is wrong now. For those unaware, bills migrate through many different wordings and forms while they are before Congress. This particular bill changed specifically regarding this section when it became known that there was no protection for U.S. citizens.

    The final bill as signed into law by the president is located at the GPO here. The section pertinent to this discussion is 1022 entitled Military custody for foreign al-Qaeda terrorists.
    That language refers only to that section. There were two sections at issue. That may very well have changed, but this doesn't establish that.

    It also doesn't account for Obama's stated reluctance.

    I'll look for myself.
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Read the previous post.
    Thanks - that's what I get for reading threads backwards. I just responded.
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That language refers only to that section. There were two sections at issue. ... I'll look for myself.
    Of course I heartily encourage you to read the language for yourself, but as I mentioned above the sections were changed around during debate and they finalized it as the above. As I also said a number of pages back in this thread I am no lawyer and am not fully familiar with legalese but it seems to me that the "loophole" was closed. Regardless, I'd like to hear your thoughts once you complete your research.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    I checked the final version of the law (in searchable HTML) and found two sections authorizing the holding of suspects, and both sections now contain prohibitions against holding US citizens, etc. without trial. But those are just the two sections I found, there could be more. But it seems the law was fixed.

    The sections are 1021 and 1021. The bill was HR 1540.
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