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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Agreed.

    Honestly, the feds are completely psychotic. First they declare that illegals can only be held by local authorities for 48 hours... because "they have rights, too"... then they turn around and pull something so blatantly unconstitutional against legal residents and citizens that the mind positively boggles.
    how is it unConstitutional if no citizens or legal residents of the USA will be effected?

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Agreed.

    Honestly, the feds are completely psychotic. First they declare that illegals can only be held by local authorities for 48 hours... because "they have rights, too"... then they turn around and pull something so blatantly unconstitutional against legal residents and citizens that the mind positively boggles.
    I think it is trying to appease all the forces coming at them. They need to think more, and appease less.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Preparations for a conflict with Iran?
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    There were, by most estimates, 500 Nazis in Charlottesville. One of them went homicidal. Not all Nazis are violent extremists. You are trying to rationalize your hatred and it's simply not rational.
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    as I noted, its better that 10 nutjobs get guns than one good person be wrongly disarmed.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    Preparations for a conflict with Iran?
    ah yes, the conspiracy theory comes together!!

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Bill does not allow for the indefinite detention of American citizens, without trial or charge.

    it doesn't allow for anyone who is legally residing within the USA, to be detained without trial or charge.
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    Read this:

    Quote, "ACLUs statement regarding that section ^^


    ďDonít be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so. But you donít have to believe us. Instead, read what one of the billís sponsors, Sen. Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: ď1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.Ē

    SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE. (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war. (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows: (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks. (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces. (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following: (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force. (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)). (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction. (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.

    Kiss Your Rights Goodbye, America.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    I am laughing while the right wing suddenly discovers that the ACLU isn't so bad after all.
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    how is it unConstitutional if no citizens or legal residents of the USA will be effected?
    The Constitution says alot more than how citizens or legal residents of the US will be treated.
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The Constitution says alot more than how citizens or legal residents of the US will be treated.
    This is true. I am often surprised how many seem to think law works only one way, on rights, but not responsibilities. It governs not only who it can be done to, but what can be done period. It otherwords, law governs behavior, regardless of who the act is being inflicted on.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by katsung47 View Post
    .

    Read this:

    Quote, "ACLUs statement regarding that section ^^


    “Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so. But you don’t have to believe us. Instead, read what one of the bill’s sponsors, Sen. Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”...
    even the very-Liberal & biased ACLU is sometimes wrong.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    even the very-Liberal & biased ACLU is sometimes wrong.
    Yet you offer no evidence that it is wrong in this case. Either explain why its wrong or stop saying it is.
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