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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this new law, and the whole hoopla over it, is in regards to people arrested IN the USA..is it not?
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    "Secret Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At Home [U]Or Abroad[/U]"


    So, the answer to you question would appear to be no.

    However, as I mentioned to the first person to mention this new bill to me (in person), as I understand it the original AUMF (against terrorists) allowed military force to be used against U.S. citizens, so it therefore seemed to me that some were late to the party (or the hoopla, if you like). As I review the two sections of the bill, I see that it not only reinforces and amplifies the AUMF, it also confiscates power from the commander-in-chief.

    Congress has not only declared perpetual war, they now want to run it.
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    ...As I review the two sections of the bill, I see that it not only reinforces and amplifies the AUMF, it also confiscates power from the commander-in-chief.

    Congress has not only declared perpetual war, they now want to run it.
    wow, sounds like martial law!!


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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl
    ... as I understand it the original AUMF (against terrorists) allowed military force to be used against U.S. citizens ...
    I had this same debate a few months ago and came to the same conclusion. My conclusion is essentially the same, it seems that Congress wants to make the so-called War on Terror permanent in order to retain these powers ad infinitum.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    This is an abomination

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I had this same debate a few months ago and came to the same conclusion. My conclusion is essentially the same, it seems that Congress wants to make the so-called War on Terror permanent in order to retain these powers ad infinitum.
    How long have I been using the term "forever war" with y'all. Of course they want it forever, it's a hallmark of a fascist state and one under authoritarian control by the government. Which way do you think Congress is going? 1984 is a playbook to them.
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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

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    Does this have any chance to pass?
    The Senate failed to remove it, 38-60.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    I think by all accounts, if the lazy ass OWS porestors took to arms and fought back against the government and this bill, maybe then there would be some progress and freedom in this nation. Peace and law is worthless when you live under the reigns of oppressive authority.

    In all honesty, the U.S. is heading towards a conservative nazi nightmare, it needs to be stopped.


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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Senate backs military custody of terror suspects - Yahoo! News

    The bill would require military custody of a suspect deemed to be a member of al-Qaida or its affiliates and involved in plotting or committing attacks on the United States. American citizens would be exempt. The bill does allow the executive branch to waive the authority based on national security and hold a suspect in civilian custody.

    The legislation also would give the government the authority to have the military hold an individual suspected of terrorism indefinitely, without a trial. That provision had no exception for a U.S. citizen.



    ok, can someone PLEASE clear this up?

    does this new law, as passed today, allow American citizens in the USA to be arrested and held without charge or trial, indefinitely?

    if this law does indeed do that, than this law IS AS BAD AS FOLKS HAVE BEEN SAYING. THIS WOULD INDEED BE SIMILAR TO MANY EMERGENCY LAWS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

    this..is not good.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
    ok, can someone PLEASE clear this up?
    Legalese can be a bit of a stinker at times but here is the pertinent section I came up with:

    SEC. 1034.
    (3) the current armed conflict includes nations, organization, and persons who--
    (A) are part of, or are substantially supporting, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or
    (B) have engaged in hostilities or have directly supported hostilities in aid of a nation, organization, or person described in subparagraph (A); and
    (4) the President's authority pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority to detain belligerents, including persons described in paragraph (3), until the termination of hostilities.


    So... technically it seems as if a person may be detained indefinitely.

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    Re: Bill To Be Voted On Today Would Allow The Military To Sweep Up US Citizens At

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Legalese can be a bit of a stinker at times but here is the pertinent section I came up with:

    SEC. 1034.
    (3) the current armed conflict includes nations, organization, and persons who--
    (A) are part of, or are substantially supporting, al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or
    (B) have engaged in hostilities or have directly supported hostilities in aid of a nation, organization, or person described in subparagraph (A); and
    (4) the President's authority pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes the authority to detain belligerents, including persons described in paragraph (3), until the termination of hostilities.


    So... technically it seems as if a person may be detained indefinitely.
    the simple fact that Senator Feinstein tried to add something to the bill to keep American citizens from being arrested in the USA & detained indefinitely, suggests that the bill does indeed say this.

    my dad told me that this story was not covered by PBS's News Hour. this better be in the NY Times.

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