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Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

You're such a tough guy. And you military types never ever complain about anything, ever. Right?

we complain plenty, but when the rubber meets the road we STFU and do what must be done.

if these ******s don't want to work black friday, they can ****ing quit and look for another job elsewhere.

maybe if their skill set consisted of more than sweeping floors and putting boxes on shelves they wouldn't have to be working the black friday sale at Target
 
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I took it as anyone should just be happy to have any job with any wage, with any working condition.

considering the high unemployment rate, bitching because you have a job that requires you to work the day after thanksgiving seems stupid.
 
When working at the airport I got paid double when working on a holiday. I got paid 8 hours of holiday pay and 8 hours of normal work pay which equated to 16 hours of normal pay for 8 hours of work


were you union?
 
um, yeah. still not feeling the love for a bunch of under-educated, unskilled crybabies who got upset because they had to go to work at midnight on Thanksgiving. it's not like they had to work all day thanksgiving day.

Thanksgiving last year, I spent most of the day riding in an M1151 escorting a convoy of MREs and Water halfway across southern Iraq.

you did? huh.
 
My issue is there's a thread created to attack people for petitioning their employer for better working conditions.

then direct your question to the OP and not me. I didn't start the thread
 
Who in their right mind goes shopping at midnight? Was there really public demand for this apparent trend? It seems to me that the whole "Black Friday" thing is stirred up by retailers to drag even more money out of the ignorant.

Like most of these things some retailer dreamed up a midnight shopping thing, it was wildly successful, others followed, and now it is completely out of control. Retailers are now counting on it to be a major income producer so there is no going back unless everyone agrees to put a stop to it. The public is just about as much to blame as the retailers but not quite. I have never particpated and never will. It is insane.
 
Do firemen, police officers, doctors, airport workers and anyone else whose job does not stop just because its the holidays get double or triple time or a an extra bonus?

Yes.
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Nope... I worked Thanksgiving... And not a dime in extra pay...

Even got off work an hour late due to catching armed robbery suspects..... And only got Comp time for the hour instead of pay.
 
were you union?

other than when I was teaching, I have never been union and (with the exception of military) I have usually been paid double for working holidays and if the holiday happened to fall on a weekend, I got triple.

but, of course, I haven't worked minimum wage, low skill, low education, low training jobs since I was in High School
 
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other than when I was teaching, I have never been union and (with the exception of military) I have usually been paid double for working holidays and if the holiday happened to fall on a weekend, I got triple.

but, of course, I haven't worked minimum wage, low skill, low education, low training jobs since I was in High School

well, i was asking zyph, but why do you find it necessary to look down your nose at retail workers? everybody can't be like you, oscar. people should be treated with respect, extra pay should be granted for holidays, period. right now, employers hold employees hostage.
 
well, i was asking zyph, but why do you find it necessary to look down your nose at retail workers? everybody can't be like you, oscar. people should be treated with respect, extra pay should be granted for holidays, period. right now, employers hold employees hostage.

oh, I agree. although, most of these kinds of places (I have many redneck relatives who work retail) typically ask for volunteers to work the holiday shifts, the students and the people without families who don't mind working holidays. They usually only "force" people to work if they can't get enough volunteers.

what gets me is that these people were making a big deal out of having to come in to work at midnight after thanksgiving. how was that going to keep them from spending time with their family on thanksgiving any more than coming in a 7-8 the next morning?


This year, we went to Orlando for thanksgiving week. I spent Thanksgiving day at Sea World and then had thanksgiving dinner at the Pirates Adventure Dinner Theater. I stopped at a Chevron station and bought gas. Stopped at wallyworld to pick up snacks for the kids for the drive home. I didn't hear a single employee all day long bitching about having to work on thanksgiving day.
 
the last minimum-wage increase cost the restaurant industry more than 146,000 jobs, and restaurant owners put off plans to hire an additional 106,000 employees

Minimum Wage Increase Impact?

I wasn't referring to an increase in the minimum wage.

In any event, there are plenty of examples of wages increasing without job loss. Otherwise, wages would never increase, would they?
 
other than when I was teaching, I have never been union and (with the exception of military) I have usually been paid double for working holidays and if the holiday happened to fall on a weekend, I got triple.

But that's because unions demanded that for workers in similar jobs at other employers. Your employer had to match that standard. Much like unions won things like paid vacation, the 40 hour work week, overtime pay, etc. for all workers.
 
I wasn't referring to an increase in the minimum wage.

In any event, there are plenty of examples of wages increasing without job loss. Otherwise, wages would never increase, would they?

Of course there are, like when the economy is good and the job markets are tight.
 
Of course there are, like when the economy is good and the job markets are tight.

So you were wrong when you said "Businesses always cut back when they are forced to pay low skilled workers more money."?
 
So you were wrong when you said "Businesses always cut back when they are forced to pay low skilled workers more money."?

Sorry, yes my thoughts were not complete. I was thinking about our current situation which is really what is relevant here. But my point was correct. If Target employee's wished to form a union and strike over this for higher wages, some of them are going to be out of a job.
 
Sorry, yes my thoughts were not complete. I was thinking about our current situation which is really what is relevant here. But my point was correct. If Target employee's wished to form a union and strike over this for higher wages, some of them are going to be out of a job.

That's debatable.

Suppose Wal-Mart unionized first. The largest civilian employer now has union employees. Is it really going to lay off thousands? Because it has to pay them a little bit more? They are much more likely to absorb the cost and keep on doing what they do, which is sell alot of stuff and make money on it.

And then Target employees would start going to work at Wal-Mart. Then Target would have to pay as much to its employees to keep them....

Yes, I agreee, times are really tough and this isn't the best time to demand wage increases, union or not. But in the long run, if the economy is going to get rolling enough so that retailers want people working on Thanksgiving afternoon, a union, and wage increases or overtime pay, would be appropriate.
 
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that would be ok....call me old fashioned, but i believe all but the most essential of services should be shut down on easter, thanksgiving, christmas, and new years day....but, if you insist on staying open , incentives would probably draw enough interest to cover your workforce needs.

The stores were shut down on Thanksgiving. They opened at midnight the day AFTER which is NOT a holiday.
 
Suppose Wal-Mart unionized first. The largest civilian employer now has union employees. Is it really going to lay off thousands? Because it has to pay them a little bit more? They are much more likely to absorb the cost and keep on doing what they do, which is sell alot of stuff and make money on it..

um yeah...what's more likely to happen is that, instead of absorbing the cost, Wal-mart is going to raise their prices to compensate for having to pay its unskilled, uneducated employees more. and any rise in income for these employees is going to be offset by having to pay more for the crap they buy at walmart. all that you will have accomplished is to make people who don't work for walmart pay higher prices.
 
The stores were shut down on Thanksgiving. They opened at midnight the day AFTER which is NOT a holiday.

which is what I have been saying the whole thread. WTF is the big deal about having to work on the day after thanksgiving?
 
which is what I have been saying the whole thread. WTF is the big deal about having to work on the day after thanksgiving?

I work for a professional firm and the Friday after Thanksgiving is not a holiday. We have one floating holiday, so I usually take it on that Friday.
 
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