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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You'd actually think Target, and all the rest of them, could incentivize their employees with double or triple time...or offer the ones who work a bonus of X% of total sales for the store during their "strange hours." I'd think employees would be standing in line.
    that would be ok....call me old fashioned, but i believe all but the most essential of services should be shut down on easter, thanksgiving, christmas, and new years day....but, if you insist on staying open , incentives would probably draw enough interest to cover your workforce needs.

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yeah all those poor doctors, policemen,firefighters, Airport workers and anyone else whose job doesn't stop because its the holidays shouldn't have one of their few real holidays ruined just because they want to earn a paycheck. The nerve of us tax payers, airport owners and businesses not respecting that and stomping on their toes.
    That is why unions came about, to collectively bargain for what was fair and proper in the circumstance. For those ignorant enough to believe that unions have outlived their usefulness, well Target is your rebuttal. There are plenty of people willing to cheerfully work on Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc., if the pay if they are compensated appropriately rather than the "do this or you lose your job" mentality that was characteristic of the pre-union late industrialization of America and seems to be returning today.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That is why unions came about, to collectively bargain for what was fair and proper in the circumstance. For those ignorant enough to believe that unions have outlived their usefulness, well Target is your rebuttal. There are plenty of people willing to cheerfully work on Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc., if the pay if they are compensated appropriately rather than the "do this or you lose your job" mentality that was characteristic of the pre-union late industrialization of America and seems to be returning today.
    The labor market is alot different now, than it was in the pre-union days. In the pre-union days, the company store system was still in place. That's no longer the case.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The labor market is alot different now, than it was in the pre-union days. In the pre-union days, the company store system was still in place. That's no longer the case.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

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    Greed has always been the motivation behind corporations. That was true in 1870, 1880, 1890 and every marker since that time. Nothing except the styles and verbage has changed in that respect.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's not expected that suddenly a number of stores will decide to open on Midnight, Thanksgiving Day, for heaven's sake...working their employees all through the night. Have a little compassion, for God's sake. I owned my own business. It didn't take too long for me to figure out that when my employees were happy (and that might include their feeling they were just a bit overpaid), my profits went up.

    Cheapskate.
    Many stores last year opened at midnight for Black Friday and many of the big box stores are open 24 hours a day all year round.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    That is why unions came about, to collectively bargain for what was fair and proper in the circumstance. For those ignorant enough to believe that unions have outlived their usefulness, well Target is your rebuttal. There are plenty of people willing to cheerfully work on Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc., if the pay if they are compensated appropriately rather than the "do this or you lose your job" mentality that was characteristic of the pre-union late industrialization of America and seems to be returning today.
    Unions were formed due to unsafe working conditions and workings being paid pennies a day for long hours.Not because of black Friday sales.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unions were formed due to unsafe working conditions and workings being paid pennies a day for long hours.Not because of black Friday sales.
    Yesterday's pennies per day are today's minimum wage for graveyard shifts on holidays. The nature of capitalism is to exploit. Unions are a free-market, collective defense against the exploitation of labor. Given that all economic gains of the past 30 years have been going to the investor class, it is fair to say that exploitation of labor is alive and well in 2011.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Yeah all those poor doctors, policemen,firefighters, Airport workers and anyone else whose job doesn't stop because its the holidays shouldn't have one of their few real holidays ruined just because they want to earn a paycheck. The nerve of us tax payers, airport owners and businesses not respecting that and stomping on their toes.
    When working at the airport I got paid double when working on a holiday. I got paid 8 hours of holiday pay and 8 hours of normal work pay which equated to 16 hours of normal pay for 8 hours of work

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