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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    um yeah...what's more likely to happen is that, instead of absorbing the cost, Wal-mart is going to raise their prices to compensate for having to pay its unskilled, uneducated employees more. and any rise in income for these employees is going to be offset by having to pay more for the crap they buy at walmart. all that you will have accomplished is to make people who don't work for walmart pay higher prices.
    This is what so many do not seem to understand at the lower end of the wage scale. There are no "real" gains. Now, I do understand where we have indeed caused a problem with the massive printing of money. Prices go up but the wages do not.

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Do you think the unions would settle for "a little more"?
    Yes. Unions negotiate. They are fully aware that demanding too much could cost them jobs, especially in a bad economy. They sometimes give concessions - pay cuts - for that reason. And unions can't just get whatever they want - it is negotiated with management.

    People have done it for decades. They will continue to.
    That's not an answer.

    People worked for a pittance 14 hours a day, six days a week in dangerous factories once - until they demanded better.

    Anyway, this was not about working a Thanksgiving afternoon.
    Yes, for some it was. I bet you'd complain about that too.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is what so many do not seem to understand at the lower end of the wage scale. There are no "real" gains. Now, I do understand where we have indeed caused a problem with the massive printing of money. Prices go up but the wages do not.
    1. Yes, wages do go up, even for the lower end. We have already talked about this.

    2. Saying that things have always been a certain way isn't a justification for why they should continue to be that way.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Not the one that's the subject of this thread.
    Yes it is. Well, 11 pm is mentioned. Some other stores opened earlier.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But you also just gave millions of people a raise, and now they have more money to spend at Wal-Mart.

    You can't sustain an economy, or workers, if you keep paying people less and less. It's a race to the bottom.
    Let me get this straight.............

    if a worker that is paid $8./hour is paying 10% of his salary for groceries at Wal-Mart, but gets a raise of $4./hour causing Wal-Mart to raise their prices correspondingly. The worker is still paying 10% of his salary for groceries, so who comes out ahead ??

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    This is what so many do not seem to understand at the lower end of the wage scale. There are no "real" gains. Now, I do understand where we have indeed caused a problem with the massive printing of money. Prices go up but the wages do not.
    Do you have any evidence for any of that? And if wages do not rise for the lowest wage workers, is that not an indictment on the current state of business in the US?
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But you also just gave millions of people a raise, and now they have more money to spend at Wal-Mart.
    but it is a wash. they aren't buying more stuff, they are just paying more for the stuff they were already buying. walmart isn't buying more product from its suppliers. the only thing that has changed is that the people who didn't get the raise because they don't work at wallyworld get screwed into paying higher prices. that doesn't help the economy.

    You can't sustain an economy, or workers, if you keep paying people less and less. It's a race to the bottom.
    who said anything about paying people less?
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes. Unions negotiate. They are fully aware that demanding too much could cost them jobs, especially in a bad economy. They sometimes give concessions - pay cuts - for that reason. And unions can't just get whatever they want - it is negotiated with management.
    Sorry, I never see them taking this position. See American Airlines. They refused to address the real problem with GM. Legacy costs. In the case of Target they would have to negotiate a fairly substantial wage. Enough to give the employee's more to spend and cover their union dues.

    That's not an answer.
    Of course it is.

    People worked for a pittance 14 hours a day, six days a week in dangerous factories once - until they demanded better.
    Working the day after Thanksgiving is not anywhere comparable.



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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes it is. Well, 11 pm is mentioned. Some other stores opened earlier.
    From the OP:

    Some Target employees are hoping the giant retailer will rethink its plan to open stores at midnight on Black Friday.
    The thread is about Target opening at midnight on the Friday AFTER Thanksgiving.

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    1. Yes, wages do go up, even for the lower end. We have already talked about this.
    That's not what I said.

    2. Saying that things have always been a certain way isn't a justification for why they should continue to be that way.
    I don't think you read my post very closely.

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