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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, yes my thoughts were not complete. I was thinking about our current situation which is really what is relevant here. But my point was correct. If Target employee's wished to form a union and strike over this for higher wages, some of them are going to be out of a job.
    That's debatable.

    Suppose Wal-Mart unionized first. The largest civilian employer now has union employees. Is it really going to lay off thousands? Because it has to pay them a little bit more? They are much more likely to absorb the cost and keep on doing what they do, which is sell alot of stuff and make money on it.

    And then Target employees would start going to work at Wal-Mart. Then Target would have to pay as much to its employees to keep them....

    Yes, I agreee, times are really tough and this isn't the best time to demand wage increases, union or not. But in the long run, if the economy is going to get rolling enough so that retailers want people working on Thanksgiving afternoon, a union, and wage increases or overtime pay, would be appropriate.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    that would be ok....call me old fashioned, but i believe all but the most essential of services should be shut down on easter, thanksgiving, christmas, and new years day....but, if you insist on staying open , incentives would probably draw enough interest to cover your workforce needs.
    The stores were shut down on Thanksgiving. They opened at midnight the day AFTER which is NOT a holiday.

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Suppose Wal-Mart unionized first. The largest civilian employer now has union employees. Is it really going to lay off thousands? Because it has to pay them a little bit more? They are much more likely to absorb the cost and keep on doing what they do, which is sell alot of stuff and make money on it..
    um yeah...what's more likely to happen is that, instead of absorbing the cost, Wal-mart is going to raise their prices to compensate for having to pay its unskilled, uneducated employees more. and any rise in income for these employees is going to be offset by having to pay more for the crap they buy at walmart. all that you will have accomplished is to make people who don't work for walmart pay higher prices.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

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    The stores were shut down on Thanksgiving. They opened at midnight the day AFTER which is NOT a holiday.
    which is what I have been saying the whole thread. WTF is the big deal about having to work on the day after thanksgiving?
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    which is what I have been saying the whole thread. WTF is the big deal about having to work on the day after thanksgiving?
    I work for a professional firm and the Friday after Thanksgiving is not a holiday. We have one floating holiday, so I usually take it on that Friday.

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I work for a professional firm and the Friday after Thanksgiving is not a holiday. We have one floating holiday, so I usually take it on that Friday.
    I work for a govt contractor. my govt customer gets the friday after TG as a holiday. For me it just depends on our plans for that year, some years I take a days vacation if we have family plans. other years I simply go and sit in my office with nothing to do because everyone else has taken the day off and I get a head start on my internet X-mas shopping
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    um yeah...what's more likely to happen is that, instead of absorbing the cost, Wal-mart is going to raise their prices to compensate for having to pay its unskilled, uneducated employees more. and any rise in income for these employees is going to be offset by having to pay more for the crap they buy at walmart. all that you will have accomplished is to make people who don't work for walmart pay higher prices.
    But you also just gave millions of people a raise, and now they have more money to spend at Wal-Mart.

    You can't sustain an economy, or workers, if you keep paying people less and less. It's a race to the bottom.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    The stores were shut down on Thanksgiving. They opened at midnight the day AFTER which is NOT a holiday.
    Some stores opened on Thanksgiving Day afternoon.
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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's debatable.
    That's fine and different than your original outright dismissal.

    Suppose Wal-Mart unionized first. The largest civilian employer now has union employees. Is it really going to lay off thousands? Because it has to pay them a little bit more? They are much more likely to absorb the cost and keep on doing what they do, which is sell alot of stuff and make money on it.
    Do you think the unions would settle for "a little more"?

    And then Target employees would start going to work at Wal-Mart. Then Target would have to pay as much to its employees to keep them....

    Yes, I agreee, times are really tough and this isn't the best time to demand wage increases, union or not. But in the long run, if the economy is going to get rolling enough so that retailers want people working on Thanksgiving afternoon, a union, and wage increases or overtime pay, would be appropriate.
    People have done it for decades. They will continue to. Anyway, this was not about working a Thanksgiving afternoon.

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    Re: Target employees upset about working on Thanksgiving…

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Some stores opened on Thanksgiving Day afternoon.
    Not the one that's the subject of this thread.

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