Community Builds A Store and Keeps Walmarts Out

[haymarket]

If Walmart had never existed, another big box retailer would have filled the niche.
It was inevitable.

Welcome to a progressively changing world.

Really? So tell us all - who was the in the Wal Mart niche before Wal mart occupied it?

 

[MaggieD]

Really? So tell us all - who was the in the Wal Mart niche before Wal mart occupied it?

Korvette's; KMart; Woolworth's...

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Really? So tell us all - who was the in the Wal Mart niche before Wal mart occupied it?

Kmart, Target, Dollar Stores in all their various forms.
I'm sure there are more.

You have some kind of fairy tale belief that the world would continue to exist with the local 5 and dime store being ever present, if it weren't for that evil Walmart.
I'm sure the Sears catalog but a lot of local businesses out, flat of their rear before Walmart was thought of and they employed a lot of the same business practices.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Korvette's; KMart; Woolworth's...

Except Walmart did it better, that's why they're bad.
Amirite.

 

[haymarket]

Kmart, Target, Dollar Stores in all their various forms.
I'm sure there are more.

You have some kind of fairy tale belief that the world would continue to exist with the local 5 and dime store being ever present, if it weren't for that evil Walmart.
I'm sure the Sears catalog but a lot of local businesses out, flat of their rear before Walmart was thought of and they employed a lot of the same business practices.

None of those stores you mentioned had the tremendous power that WM does.

None of them wreaked the type of economic havoc all over the nation that WM does.

None of them destroyed small town business to the extent that WM does.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

None of those stores you mentioned had the tremendous power that WM does.

Sure they did.
You just don't like economic progression.
Your support for a local cartel of locally owned businesses is nothing but an appeal to tradition.

What makes local retailers any better than Walmart?

 

[MaggieD]

None of those stores you mentioned had the tremendous power that WM does.

So because WalMart has a more successful model they are demons. Come on, Haymarket!

I personally don't shop at WalMart. I just don't like their business model...most of the time their aisles are sloppy...their merchandise inferior...their customer service not up to my personal taste. But that doesn't mean that I disrespect what they provide others. What you fail to realize is that WalMart took the step of going into small-town markets that no one else would serve. I remember when they put a store in Manchester, KY. (I have family there.) The populace was deeeelighted. They provided jobs!! They provided competition to those evil greedy small-town store owners you've railed against. Finally! They didn't have to drive an hour-and-a-half to get a bargain. WalMart, to this small town, ROCKED.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

So because WalMart has a more successful model they are demons. Come on, Haymarket!

I personally don't shop at WalMart. I just don't like their business model...most of the time their aisles are sloppy...their merchandise inferior...their customer service not up to my personal taste. But that doesn't mean that I disrespect what they provide others. What you fail to realize is that WalMart took the step of going into small-town markets that no one else would serve. I remember when they put a store in Manchester, KY. (I have family there.) The populace was deeeelighted. They provided jobs!! They provided competition to those evil greedy small-town store owners you've railed against. Finally! They didn't have to drive an hour-and-a-half to get a bargain. WalMart, to this small town, ROCKED.

In my old town, even though the Walmart deal was shady, because the local government was nothing but a bunch of good ole boy cronies.
Having a Walmart built was a boon to me.

I didn't have to drive a half hour or more to get basic electronics and things of that nature.
All the local stores were way overpriced because they largely had a market monopoly, on the goods they sold.

I don't give a crap if they were nice people or not.

 

[haymarket]

So because WalMart has a more successful model they are demons. Come on, Haymarket!

I personally don't shop at WalMart. I just don't like their business model...most of the time their aisles are sloppy...their merchandise inferior...their customer service not up to my personal taste. But that doesn't mean that I disrespect what they provide others. What you fail to realize is that WalMart took the step of going into small-town markets that no one else would serve. I remember when they put a store in Manchester, KY. (I have family there.) The populace was deeeelighted. They provided jobs!! They provided competition to those evil greedy small-town store owners you've railed against. Finally! They didn't have to drive an hour-and-a-half to get a bargain. WalMart, to this small town, ROCKED.

I do not remember railing against any small town businesses. I am very supportive of small town local businesses. I love Norman Rockwell small towns and live in one myself.

 

[haymarket]

Sure they did.
You just don't like economic progression.
Your support for a local cartel of locally owned businesses is nothing but an appeal to tradition.

Actually it is a recognition of evil and an effort to combat it.

 

[MaggieD]

Actually it is a recognition of evil and an effort to combat it.

Would you still think the same way if they were unionized?

I do not remember railing against any small town businesses. I am very supportive of small town local businesses. I love Norman Rockwell small towns and live in one myself.

Well, I guess as long as those small town businesses don't get lucky and become corporations...

 

[apdst]

Actually it is a recognition of evil and an effort to combat it.

Free enterprise is evil?

 

[apdst]

Would you still think the same way if they were unionized?



Well, I guess as long as those small town businesses don't get lucky and become corporations...

But...but...but...that's different!

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Actually it is a recognition of evil and an effort to combat it.

How is it evil?

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I do not remember railing against any small town businesses. I am very supportive of small town local businesses. I love Norman Rockwell small towns and live in one myself.

In my former town, most of the "Normal Rockwell" businesses were owned by the mayor.
Why is it ok, to allow him to retain a monopoly on commerce, but not ok for other businesses?

 

[geewrd]

Do you know the difference between negative long term effects of something and a rather temporary and tiny short term gain? It would appear you do not.

Do you know what not being able to afford to buy things is, because some snobby city council decided they preferred "american made" goods, even though they cost 2x as much.

Anyways, we wouldn't be in this mess if we hadn't borrowed gazillions of dollars from China, so once again government intervention in the markets thoroughly frakked us over.

 

[geewrd]

Actually it is a recognition of evil and an effort to combat it.

Evil?? you think providing goods to the poor at a price they can afford is evil? Walmart has carefully tailored their business model to market to an under served market, and you call them evil?

You just hate competition, admit it.

 

[1Perry]

None of those stores you mentioned had the tremendous power that WM does.

None of them wreaked the type of economic havoc all over the nation that WM does.

None of them destroyed small town business to the extent that WM does.

I stated my displeasure with Wal-Marts practices but malls did this long before Wal-Mart became so prominant.

 

[1Perry]

Do you know what not being able to afford to buy things is, because some snobby city council decided they preferred "american made" goods, even though they cost 2x as much.

I covered this earlier but since nobody adressed it then........part of the reason people can not afford american made goods is because their jobs have been shipped to China.

Anyways, we wouldn't be in this mess if we hadn't borrowed gazillions of dollars from China, so once again government intervention in the markets thoroughly frakked us over.

But it's O.K. to ship our jobs there so you can save a little on your widescreen television?

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

I covered this earlier but since nobody adressed it then........part of the reason people can not afford american made goods is because their jobs have been shipped to China.

That's not true at all.
Some jobs have moved to China and some have not.

You saying that is just a worn out cliche.

But it's O.K. to ship our jobs there so you can save a little on your widescreen television?

Yep.
Because if the Chinese can make that same tv cheaper, that's a good thing.
We can do other things better here.

Why is it that many Americans want foreigners to invest here, but don't want any of our people to invest in other nations?
Seems very contradictory.

By the way, it's not your or their job, you don't own it.

 

[geewrd]

I covered this earlier but since nobody adressed it then........part of the reason people can not afford american made goods is because their jobs have been shipped to China.

And why are jobs being shipped overseas? Either Chinese people are working for unrealistically low wages, or said Americans are unwilling to work for what the market-clearing price is for their labor. It's probably a little bit of both.

I'm sure the amount of money we owe China has distorted this market, but with rapid advances made in manufacturing automation every day, laborers with little or no skill are becoming less and less valuable.

 

[Binky]

Sounds like a really neat idea. Now if they are able to keep from selling cheaply made chinese crapola the community and store will be much better off.

 

[1Perry]

That's not true at all.
Some jobs have moved to China and some have not.

You saying that is just a worn out cliche.

Because you say so? It's not a secret the strong arming Wal Mart uses to get the lowest prices possible.

A blog? Yes but the Rubbermaid example is well documented.

Marks Blog: Wal Mart Shipping Ohio Jobs Overseas

Yep.
Because if the Chinese can make that same tv cheaper, that's a good thing.
We can do other things better here.

Why is it that many Americans want foreigners to invest here, but don't want any of our people to invest in other nations?
Seems very contradictory.

By the way, it's not your or their job, you don't own it.

I'm fine with people investing in other countries. I'm not fine with the exodus of jobs.

 

[1Perry]

And why are jobs being shipped overseas? Either Chinese people are working for unrealistically low wages, or said Americans are unwilling to work for what the market-clearing price is for their labor. It's probably a little bit of both.

It's not a theory that the Chinese are paid relatively little and that they are not held to the same safety and ecological standards as companies here.

I'm sure the amount of money we owe China has distorted this market, but with rapid advances made in manufacturing automation every day, laborers with little or no skill are becoming less and less valuable.

I'd still prefer those who run the machines be here.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

Because you say so? It's not a secret the strong arming Wal Mart uses to get the lowest prices possible.

A blog? Yes but the Rubbermaid example is well documented.

Marks Blog: Wal Mart Shipping Ohio Jobs Overseas

So what, technology and the economy are not static constructs.
Things don't stay the same forever.

Walmart has the market power to push for lower prices.
Guess who benefits?
The consumer.

Should we ban vehicle GPS systems, because map makers are failing?
Same principle applies to both.
Someone else can do something better and/or cheaper, the other will lose out temporarily.

I'm fine with people investing in other countries. I'm not fine with the exodus of jobs.

That's what happens when you invest in China, instead of America.
Jobs may go up in China and jobs may go down in the U.S.