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Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

jamesrage said:
The fact is you do not know if this woman actually did something to warrent the police using force.But considering all the other numorous activities by occutard protesters one has to assume that she was not peaceful and that she was resisting arrest or aiding in resisting the arrest of others.
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That is a possibility, but going off of the information in the OP, which is what I assume apdst did, there is no reason to think that she did this.
 
apdst said:
Why was she even there? I would think the safety of her baby would take priority over her politics. She had to know that the chance of a dust up was purdy good.

Sounds like she has the parental skills of a ****ing house cat.

This is prime example of how the occu-tards want to be relieved all their pesonal responsibility.
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You know there's some people on this forum that are quick to critisise the protestors calling them "occu-tards" id but one example of many.

However, they never seem to be able to answer a few questions.

If these protestors had jobs with a fair wage where would they be occupying or working??

As for the homeless pregnant girl who had a miscarriage.

I have a question, Why was the girl homeless in the first place?

Finally the big question the same one that was ask at Little Rock, Selma, D.C. and a lot more cities and towns.

If the socieity and ploicy of America is doing the right thing; how come there's so many protestors saying it's wrong?:peace
 
pbrauer said:
This is unbelievable!!!

Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed | Video Cafe


A woman who was pepper sprayed during during a raid on Occupy Seattle last week is blaming police after she miscarried Sunday.

Jennifer Fox, 19, told The Stranger that she had been with the Occupy protests since they started in Westlake Park. She said she was homeless and three months pregnant, but felt the need to join activists during their march last Tuesday.

"I was standing in the middle of the crowd when the police started moving in," Fox recalled. "I was screaming, 'I am pregnant, I am pregnant. Let me through. I am trying to get out.'"

She claimed that police hit her in the stomach twice before pepper spraying her. One officer struck her with his foot and another pushed his bicycle into her. It wasn't clear if either of those incidents were intentional."Right before I turned, both cops lifted their pepper spray and sprayed me. My eyes puffed up and my eyes swelled shut," Fox said.

Seattle Post-Intelligencer photographer Joshua Trujillo snapped a picture of Fox in apparent agony as another activist carried her to an ambulance.Seattle fire department spokesman Kyle Moore told The Washington Post that a 19-year-old pregnant woman was among those that were examined by paramedics.

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hmmmmmm, homeless and pregnant, yep....first thing I'm going to do is run out and join a bunch of protesters
 
presluc said:
If the socieity and ploicy of America is doing the right thing; how come there's so many protestors saying it's wrong?:peace
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Since people are protesting, society and policy is wrong? No. This so-called group has yet to prove to me they have a focus, though I must admit I haven't checked in a while. Ask a protester. Get an answer. Ask another. Get another answer.

They want free college educations, student loan forgiveness, no more credit bureaus...blaming big business...where's the outrage against the Congress that caused this economic downturn?

For a group as tech-savvy as these young people should be, and who claim they represent 99% of the people in this country, they've done an a piss-poor job of communicating their aims to the American people.
 
MaggieD said:
Since people are protesting, society and policy is wrong? No. This so-called group has yet to prove to me they have a focus, though I must admit I haven't checked in a while. Ask a protester. Get an answer. Ask another. Get another answer.

They want free college educations, student loan forgiveness, no more credit bureaus...blaming big business...where's the outrage against the Congress that caused this economic downturn?

For a group as tech-savvy as these young people should be, and who claim they represent 99% of the people in this country, they've done an a piss-poor job of communicating their aims to the American people.
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Well they had to be doing something right, they got a sit down with a certain group of Tea Party repesentatives in Memphis Tenn.

Now I'm not too familiar with the Tea Party and their policies exept maybe they point fingures and complain a lot about other people of course, but I couldn't picture them listening to any actions of the protestors let alone meeting with them and hearing their side.
So the protestors got at least somebodys attention.:peace
 
OscarB63 said:
hmmmmmm, homeless and pregnant, yep....first thing I'm going to do is run out and join a bunch of protesters
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Well, I wouldn't say a "bunch of protestors", these protestors are not all homeless and pregnant.
Neither are they all old or young nor all intellectuals or unskilled, no particular ethnic background.
Only thing these protestors have in common are they are all American
If I were the government or the upper class I would not underestimate this movement by so many differant protestors:peace
 
The last legit news article on Jennifer Fox was published five days ago, including this one from the Seattle Times: Local News | Occupy protester's miscarriage claim questioned | Seattle Times Newspaper

Fox declined to provide medical documents until after a memorial service planned for Saturday. Was there one? Googling didn't produce a reliable answer...and don't you find that odd? That there's no news on this?

There is no evidence that this 19-year old was even pregnant, so I'm going to wait on more facts. Maybe she was; maybe she wasn't.
 
OscarB63 said:
hmmmmmm, homeless and pregnant, yep....first thing I'm going to do is run out and join a bunch of protesters
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some place where there is food and shelter
good idea
 
justabubba said:
some place where there is food and shelter
good idea
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Then stay with the food and shelter (afterall, wouldn't someone have to stay behind to watch the stuff?).

The incident happened while she was marching to Pine St and 5th Ave and blocking traffic with a very large group of people, not while she was simply sitting in a tent doing nothing but trying to stay warm and/or feed herself and her baby-in-the-belly.
 
roguenuke said:
Then stay with the food and shelter (afterall, wouldn't someone have to stay behind to watch the stuff?).

The incident happened while she was marching to Pine St and 5th Ave and blocking traffic with a very large group of people, not while she was simply sitting in a tent doing nothing but trying to stay warm and/or feed herself and her baby-in-the-belly.
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i missed the part of the cite where the woman had a problem pregnancy which prevented her from doing things normal pregnant women do, like walking
would you please post the part of the story which said she needed to be confined to her shelter for medical reasons
 
nota bene said:
You probably ought to quit while you're behind here.
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if i were, i would
but i actually enjoy rubbing your virtual nose in your mistaken points

I'll leave it to someone more patient to explain to you that housing of choice for a pregnant woman is not a park and without a tent of her own.
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good choice, acknowledging you are not up to rebutting my argument

But you could Goodle housing options for women in Seattle/King County and what services are available to help homeless women, especially pregnant ones.
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Goodle doesn't work for me. but a homeless woman seeking shelter where there was shelter and food where there was food ... nothing about that seems unreasonable or improbable
but prove me wrong
explain why a homeless woman should not seek shelter where shelter is available to her
explain for us why a homeless woman should not seek food where it is readily available

... or you can run away from the debate in the assumption someone with more patience than you will come in and try to argue your bogus positions on your behalf
 
justabubba said:
if i were, i would
but i actually enjoy rubbing your virtual nose in your mistaken points


good choice, acknowledging you are not up to rebutting my argument


Goodle doesn't work for me. but a homeless woman seeking shelter where there was shelter and food where there was food ... nothing about that seems unreasonable or improbable
but prove me wrong
explain why a homeless woman should not seek shelter where shelter is available to her
explain for us why a homeless woman should not seek food where it is readily available

... or you can run away from the debate in the assumption someone with more patience than you will come in and try to argue your bogus positions on your behalf
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I'm just not going to explain the obvious. If I were going to make the effort, I'd play the gender card first. You've never been pregnant, never will be, and obviously do not understand the instinct to nurture whose common-sense expression would be not being a dumbass. I might mention studies that suggest that the maternal drive to protect is hard-wired into the brain. Or I might suggest that we just stick to the facts known about this so-called OWS miscarriage.

Instead, I'm just going to laugh at your pitiable comment about how you enjoy rubbing my virtual nose in my mistaken points and thank you for the crystal clarification of you are. I appreciate your time-saving post.

:2wave:
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
That is a possibility, but going off of the information in the OP, which is what I assume apdst did, there is no reason to think that she did this.
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I could be wrong but police do not go hey I feel like throwing my career away lets needlessly use force on some protesters who are peaceful and not resisting arrest. The article most likely is not telling the whole story and are trying to make it appear as though some protesters were just minding their own business not doing anything wrong. I never heard of any stories of police using force against the republicans when they had their tea party protests. The reason for that is because their protests were peaceful.they didn't throw trashcans through Starbucks windows they didn't hog public places,they weren't resisting arrest or trying aid others in resisting arrest, they didn't harass school kids.They didn't harass burger King employees and customers, they didn't turn the areas they were protesting at into crime cesspools or any other **** like that.
 
What do conservatives have to do with this case? Why was a pregnant woman putting herself in a confrontation with the police? And who said anything (I'm assuming that you're talking about the cops pepper-spraying someone) is "fun and games?" It most certainly isn't for the police. I would put money on the fact that this woman intentionally put herself in a confrontation with the police, and coerced them to use spray. Why? "...the city of Seattle will start to care as the lawsuits pour in." That pretty much says it all...
 
scott3dl said:
What do conservatives have to do with this case? Why was a pregnant woman putting herself in a confrontation with the police? And who said anything (I'm assuming that you're talking about the cops pepper-spraying someone) is "fun and games?" It most certainly isn't for the police. I would put money on the fact that this woman intentionally put herself in a confrontation with the police, and coerced them to use spray. Why? "...the city of Seattle will start to care as the lawsuits pour in." That pretty much says it all...
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done.
i will accept that bet
 
whysoserious said:
Rut roh. This is what I was arguing with others about. It's all fun and games until someone has an asthma attack and dies, or some lady has a miscarriage. I don't suppose conservatives will much care, even though they are "pro-life" or whatever (since they seem to think pepper spraying large groups of people who are sitting down is funny), but the city of Seattle will start to care as the lawsuits pour in.
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It's okay to abort a fetus if a cop does it. Just not a doctor.
 
Pregnant Woman Blasted with Pepper Spray by SPD Says She Miscarried (Updated) | Slog
In addition, Lark Stebbins, Fox's former foster mother of 10 years, said she had a prolonged history of exaggeration.

"My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins told the Seattle Times. "She's a wannabe drama queen."
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from the same site:

UPDATE on Nov. 22 at 3:47 PM: Yesterday Jennifer Fox claimed (first on this blog and then to The Stranger) that she miscarried her fetus, three months into her pregnancy, five days after police pepper sprayed her at an Occupy Seattle protest. I repeatedly asked if she could provide any medical records to back up her claim—a claim that doctors at Harborview Medical Center said her clash with police caused the miscarriage—but she said she would be in touch with a case worker. Lacking a way to verify her claim (except asking for her records) I said I would follow up.

So I tracked Fox down today at the Occupy Seattle encampment at Seattle Central Community College. Had she contacted anyone at the hospital? “I can’t go to the hospital until Sunday or Monday,” she said. Fox said that she’s having a memorial service for her miscarried baby and one of her fellow occupiers is planning a candlelight vigil, which will consume her time until next week. Can't she get away to the hospital for an hour? “No.” I provided Fox a copy of a records release for the hospital, which she put into her coat, but again Fox said she couldn’t go request her records until next week. I offered her a ride to and from the hospital, but she again refused. I explained to Fox that, lacking any evidence of her claim, her story was increasingly subject to scrutiny.

While sources in general should be given the benefit of the doubt—even if they are homeless women—and there is no evidence that Fox isn't being entirety forthright, her story looks increasingly dubious.

It's worth pointing out that in the Seattlepi.com article last week, the reporter noted that Fox was two months pregnant, when she told me that she was three months pregnant at the time.

UPDATE on Nov. 22 at 4:18 PM: Acting on an anonymous tip, we heard that Seattle police found Fox in a house six nearly nine weeks ago. According to a police report in which the names have been redacted, a suspect who appears to have a three-letter last name "said she is three months pregnant... and began crying when [a suspect] was arrested. [The person with a three-letter last name] began holding her stomach and screaming that it hurt." The woman was transferred to Harborview Medical Center. We are attempting to contact Fox to ask if she is the woman in the police report.

SPD has now provided a statement, saying that no complaint has been filed in the original incident. Seattle police sergeant Sean Whitcomb says: "We are aware of a claim that a pregnant woman who attended the November 15 Occupy Seattle march has been treated for miscarriage. We are also aware that she has attributed the miscarriage to the use of pepper spray and physical contact by Seattle police officers. No formal complaint has been made. Consistent with standard procedure, the Office of Professional Accountability, or OPA, has initiated an internal investigation to look into the matter further. The OPA investigators will be actively searching for any information that will support this claim."
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Fox did not file a formal complaint about police brutality. Now why is that?
 
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You know I've scanned this thread since my last post.

I've come to know one thing that is often repeated that the 19 year old pregnant girl was wrong.
Then there was the cops who would not want to lose their jobs.
Then there was the weather report about Washington being cold in the winter.
Then there was more accusations.

Now I consider myself to be a reasonable poster with an open mind.

So lets say the girl was wrong.
Lets say that cops don't want to lose their jobs.
Lets say the protestors in D.C. will get cold.
Let's say there are violent people with hidden agendas in the crowd.

What does that change you still have a lot of protestors that are not violent people and have no hidden agendas out there and they ain't happy.

So, one 19 yr old pregnant girl was in the wrong place wrong time bad choice.
There are 1000+ that will replace her.
Just to flip the script do all politicians make the right decisions?

Cops don't want to lose their jobs.
If all cops are squeaky clean , how come they need I.A.D . to invesatagate them?

Let's say the weather is cold in D.C.. too cold for the protestors to make it, they leave.

Do you actually think that if changes aren't made the protestors won't come back in the summer.

Try to picture D.C. ,Seattle or Memphis with protestors at the temp. of 99 +.
The hotter it gets the more testy the protestors.

Some on this forum on other threads are looking at these protestors as a bad dream , that soon they will all go away.

In my opinion these protestors aren't going anywhere and if changes aren't made that dream just might become a nightmare.:peace
 
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Jennifer Fox, 'Miscarriage' Occupy Protestor, Has Told This Tale Before - Seattle News - The Daily Weekly

Seattle police had responded to a vacant building located in 1250 Denny Way where a security officer reported five squatters. One of those people, according to police sources, was 19-year-old Jennifer Fox.
According to the report, Fox told an officer she was three months pregnant and began crying when arrested.

"(Fox) began holding her stomach and was screaming when she was arrested," read the report. (Fox) was treated at the scene and transported to HMC."

Obviously Fox can't be three months pregnant in September and then still three months pregnant in November.
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Casting further doubt on the woman's claim, The Seattle Times reports that Fox's former foster mom says that she's a compulsive liar, and that she doubts she was ever pregnant at all.

"My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins said. "She's a wannabe drama queen."
Fox, regardless, maintains that her story is true and that she will prove it by this weekend when she goes to the hospital and gets medical records that support her claim.

Until that happens, however, Fox's tale should remain as something to be taken with a large grain of salt.
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Did she release the records by last weekend like she said she would?
 
hazlnut said:
It's okay to abort a fetus if a cop does it. Just not a doctor.
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There is zero proof that this girl was ever pregnant or ever miscarried. In spite of repeated requests from a sympathetic press, she has yet to release one scintilla of proof that this is anything other than a made up story to garner sympathy/money. Hell, her own mother and sister say she's a liar and you can't believe a word she says.

Are you people this gullible over everything, or is it only with causes you believe in that you decide to surrender your objectivity and reason?
 
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