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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are specific social services, just for pregnant women and there are specific homeless shelters, just for women and children.

    To say she had to live in a trash can is hyperbolic, emotionalism that is only true in a fictional universe.
    So you are quite sure that on any given night, any homeless person, especially if pregnant, can get shelter and food?

    Bleh, it's all so circumstantial that it is hard to argue over. I'll just leave it at:

    Anyone who wants to condemn the cops is a hack. Anyone who wants to condemn this lady is a hack. None of you know the full story, and no matter what a miscarrage is a sad event. And you "conservatives" who pretend to care about every fetus and think "every life is special", you can shove it because you have shown your true feelings about life in this thread (and this is not directed at you Harry - it's just a rant).
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    So you are quite sure that on any given night, any homeless person, especially if pregnant, can get shelter and food?
    Hint: Show up early, to avoid being left out, if there is a line to these specific shelters, it's not like you have anything else to do.
    But of course being "homeless" doesn't necessarily mean she is without shelter.

    She could be couch surfing with a friend or friends.
    The story doesn't fill us in on that part, it just paints a sad picture, for the sake of emotionalism.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Really?
    She can't go to a homeless shelter or take advantage of social services?
    Her only choice was to go to an OWS rally?

    What world does your hyperbolic rant live in?
    Maybe those shelters are all full up(winter is coming)?

    Could be the social service programs have a waiting list(cut backs)?

    Maybe she was removed from public aid recently(too many abusing it)?

    She probably didn't have to go to the protest but then again maybe she felt welcomed there.

    With uncertainty seeming to be the norm, really I am not sure what kind of world this is(to be honest).
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Tell ya why I am dubious...pregnant women at 3 mos are not delicate little flowers. At three months many women dont even know they are pregnant, let alone are they curtailing their physical activities. The body is a pretty miraculous machine. So, unless their was a direct kick to the stomach, Im not altogether convinced that this woman miscarried due to a kick to the stomach by the police officer. No indication or even report that she was on the ground, knocked to the ground, etc. Also...Im not altogether convinced by the video of her crying. That doesnt look like the lung capacity and vocal abilities of most people I know of (or personal experience from the military) that have been recently doused by pepper spray.

    now...am I saying she is a liar? nope. I'm saying I want this thing to be investigated fully. Shouldnt be too tough. If she got kicked in the stomach Id like to know how and by who. kind of tough to do when you are in a crowd, yelling to be let out because you are pregnant, turning and just as you are turning get pepper sprayed...except just before you got pepper sprayed you got kicked...hard enough to cause a miscarriage.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Hint: Show up early, to avoid being left out, if there is a line to these specific shelters, it's not like you have anything else to do.
    But of course being "homeless" doesn't necessarily mean she is without shelter.

    She could be couch surfing with a friend or friends.
    The story doesn't fill us in on that part, it just paints a sad picture, for the sake of emotionalism.
    That's true, you are right. Unfortunately it just a "shocking" headline without much fact or detail behind it. I do, however, think there will be some lawsuits stemming from the nationwide use of pepper spray on crowds, but we'll see.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Tell ya why I am dubious...pregnant women at 3 mos are not delicate little flowers. At three months many women dont even know they are pregnant, let alone are they curtailing their physical activities. The body is a pretty miraculous machine. So, unless their was a direct kick to the stomach, Im not altogether convinced that this woman miscarried due to a kick to the stomach by the police officer. No indication or even report that she was on the ground, knocked to the ground, etc. Also...Im not altogether convinced by the video of her crying. That doesnt look like the lung capacity and vocal abilities of most people I know of (or personal experience from the military) that have been recently doused by pepper spray.

    now...am I saying she is a liar? nope. I'm saying I want this thing to be investigated fully. Shouldnt be too tough. If she got kicked in the stomach Id like to know how and by who. kind of tough to do when you are in a crowd, yelling to be let out because you are pregnant, turning and just as you are turning get pepper sprayed...except just before you got pepper sprayed you got kicked...hard enough to cause a miscarriage.
    What women? You mean the 400lb ones that have had 20 kids on MTV? I don't think so, VM.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    Maybe those shelters are all full up(winter is coming)?
    Notice the word "maybe."
    You have no other information to go on, but assume that she is living on the streets.
    Poor reasoning.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    Could be the social service programs have a waiting list(cut backs)?
    Nope.
    Pregnant women, automatically qualify for Pregnancy Medicaid and other services like WIC.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    Maybe she was removed from public aid recently(too many abusing it)?
    Unless she was abusing it or found substantiated employment, that is incredibly unlikely.


    Quote Originally Posted by mattillac View Post
    She probably didn't have to go to the protest but then again maybe she felt welcomed there.

    With uncertainty seeming to be the norm, really I am not sure what kind of world this is(to be honest).
    I'm sure a strip club would make me feel welcome, of course that isn't the best use of my time, because I have a wife and kids to attend to.
    Feeling welcome some where doesn't mean someone should go there.
    Priorities are important.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    That's true, you are right. Unfortunately it just a "shocking" headline without much fact or detail behind it. I do, however, think there will be some lawsuits stemming from the nationwide use of pepper spray on crowds, but we'll see.
    When the cops say disperse, especially when you're doing something wrong, you disperse.
    If you do not, the assumption of risk is on you.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    When the cops say disperse, especially when you're doing something wrong, you disperse.
    If you do not, the assumption of risk is on you.
    Guess Rosa Parks and every civil disobedient individual in the 50s and 60s should have been pepper sprayed as well. There is no need to pepper spray non-violent, civil disobedience, and I think the lawsuits that may follow from this will show that.

    *Edit to add:

    And by the way, I am pretty sure that your entire statement is not necessarily true anyway. Cops are subject to the same law as everyone else. There word is not the law, and ignorance to their word does not authorize excessive force.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are specific social services, just for pregnant women and there are specific homeless shelters, just for women and children.

    To say she had to live in a trash can is hyperbolic, emotionalism that is only true in a fictional universe.

    Like this whole thread, and probably this whole story.

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