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Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

I didn't say anything about her being hit with a baton (not that I can remember or find anyway). If I did, it was definitely a mistake.

She claims she was kicked in the stomach and hit with a bike by two different police officers. I am basing what I said off of that. If she was kicked in the stomach by a police officer without actually doing anything but blocking traffic, I'd call that excessive force. The bike incident, if it happened at all, was almost certainly an accident. I doubt a cop would purposely hit someone with a bike without knocking them down.

That being said, I doubt her claims are very close to the true story. Very little evidence exists that cops hit, kicked, or ran into her at all yet. And I doubt very much that being sprayed with pepper spray is likely to cause a miscarriage a week later. Possible? Sure. What is more likely is the stress of being sprayed and what led to getting sprayed actually being the cause, not the chemicals in the spray. And if it was the stress from that, then it is her fault for putting herself in that position. If it was from getting kicked by the cop, there's proof of this (unlikely though, since most miscarriages are hard to identify a specific cause, especially a week after an incident) and proof is found that he kicked her without provocation, then it is his fault. Without a lot of evidence to support her story and that the cop heard her say she was pregnant, I wouldn't agree with charging him for fetal homicide or anything like that.

I agree, the idea that the police would do this intentionally is a very high mark and would need sufficient evidence. However, it doesn't mean the blame is on the lady either.

If anything, this was regrettable and entirely accidental.
 
If true, tragic. It will be interesting to hear how the pepper spray 'got to' the baby, since "They diagnosed that I was having a miscarriage. They said the damage was from the kick and that the pepper spray got to it [the fetus], too," she said.

"I was worried about it [when I joined the protests], but I didn't know it would be this bad. I didn't know that a cop would murder a baby that's not born yet... I am trying to get lawyers."

That should be interesting to see the video of police kicking her and causing a miscarriage. Its interesting that people here are blaming this on the pepper spray. On the plus side...she should have NO TROUBLE getting a lawyer. We'll see how this plays out. I hope the spotlight shines very very VERY bright on this one til it has reached a final conclusion.
 
I agree, the idea that the police would do this intentionally is a very high mark and would need sufficient evidence. However, it doesn't mean the blame is on the lady either.

If anything, this was regrettable and entirely accidental.

I wouldn't charge her with anything. It certainly isn't something that she should have expected to happen.

But it was a risk that she took, especially when she failed to heed the warnings to disperse and that the cops would be using pepper spray. It wasn't like she had little time to act when police action became a likely scenario.
 
I wouldn't charge her with anything. It certainly isn't something that she should have expected to happen.

But it was a risk that she took, especially when she failed to heed the warnings to disperse and that the cops would be using pepper spray. It wasn't like she had little time to act when police action became a likely scenario.

There is absolutely no reason to charge her with anything beyond the shame on yous from the various people on this forum who are jumping in without much to go on in their interest to defend the police and their desire to believe that the protestors are bad people. (Not that I think the police is to blame)

However, again, she had no way of knowing things would get ugly, as such things are not predictable, so even not knowing to heed warnings isn't entirely her fault. These situations are always chaotic and have any number of results, so any predictability before hand is none.
 
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There is absolutely no reason to charge her with anything beyond the shame on yous from the various people on this forum who are jumping in without much to go on in their interest to defend the police and their desire to believe that the protestors are bad people. (Not that I think the police is to blame)

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! I'm not defending the police. We don't have enough information to even need to defend them. I'm condemning the actions of a 3-month's pregnant homeless female for being there in the first place. Talk about good prenatal care...
 
Do you expect there'll be sympathy for this young woman? Not in most camps there won't. Three months' pregnant. She had no business being there. They ought to appoint a guardian ad litem for her dead baby and sue her. Complete bumbling idiot.

'Course maybe this is the latest "slip-and-fall scam."

and yet another installment of 'blame the victim'


what a game
 
I don't care who you are or what cause you are supporting, going to a protest like this pregnant means you don't have your priorities straight. She has no one but herself to blame.


yes, and avoid the thanksgiving parades
never know when a float would run over her
just as predictable
 
Well, of course, we'll agree to disagree. But my take on it is, "Would you think it prudent to take a 3-year-old to one of these demonstrations?" If that 3-year-old were injured by no direct action of coppers toward that 3-year-old, whose fault would it be? No one's? I don't take that stance. I take the stance that it is a parent's responsibility not to put her child into such a situation. And any protest attended by hundreds, if not thousands, of people, is risky. That's just the fact. No opinion required.



I sorta' kinda' almost agree. ;)

damn maggie
i did not realize she took her three year old to that event

would you please post the cite showing she did so, because otherwise it has absolutely no bearing on this topic
 
damn maggie
i did not realize she took her three year old to that event

would you please post the cite showing she did so, because otherwise it has absolutely no bearing on this topic

Balderdash.
 
yes, and avoid the thanksgiving parades
never know when a float would run over her
just as predictable

Really? Just as likely?

How many Thanksgiving Parades have had a news story of a float running someone over?

How many various OWS protests around the country have had a news story of some confrontation with police or other protesters.

Horrible analogy.
 
Is there, at this time, any evidence that this story is true?
 
Really? Just as likely?

How many Thanksgiving Parades have had a news story of a float running someone over?

How many various OWS protests around the country have had a news story of some confrontation with police or other protesters.

Horrible analogy.


yes,
being induced into miscarriage by police actions, sooooo predictable
 
If you really cared about the health of your fetus, you wouldn't being putting it in potential danger by going to a protest that has had a history of disturbance and disruption.
 
If this is true the cop should be charged heavily.
Only if he was doing something he shouldn't've been doing. If he was doing what he was supposed to be doing and doing it how he was supposed to be doing it, then he shouldn't face charges. If he was doing something he shouldn't've or was failing to do something he should've, then charges MAY be appropriate.
Sad to say, but there's a certain assumption of risk, especially at this point, involved with attending one of these protests.
 
yes,
being induced into miscarriage by police actions, sooooo predictable

Nice strawmanning

You tried to suggest there's as reasonable similarity in the potential threat of a thanksgiving day parade float running people over and possibly running into violence by police or protesters at an OWS rally.

Expecting that going to a OWS rally will result in police causing a miscarriage is not a common expectation. Expecting that you could run into a situation where there is pushing and shoving, the potential to be trapped within a crowd of people, and potentially crowd control items like pepper spray or even physical altercations however is a semi-reasonable expectation, especially on the same coast that the OWS: Oakland protests are happening where it'd be even more prevelant in the news.
 
yes,
being induced into miscarriage by police actions, sooooo predictable

Getting roughed up at a protest, where there has already been violence on several occasions...very likely...obviously, inevitable.
 
Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! I'm not defending the police. We don't have enough information to even need to defend them. I'm condemning the actions of a 3-month's pregnant homeless female for being there in the first place. Talk about good prenatal care...

Maggie, for future reference, when I make mention of hacks, I am never referring to you.
 
IF this story is true (and at this point it is just hearsay), has it occurred to anybody that
1. Lots of women at 3 mos pregnant do not look obviously pregnant
2. Yelling in the middle of a riot, quite likely nobody will hear and understand you in the midst of the chaos

Ergo, it seems very improbable that even IF this actually happened, that the police had any idea she was pregnant in the midst of the melee...
 
Forgive me OWS, but pregnant women should not be at protest rallies, especially if there is even a slight chance of things getting ugly.

I blaim the woman for her very very poor choice.
 
Forgive me OWS, but pregnant women should not be at protest rallies, especially if there is even a slight chance of things getting ugly.

I blaim the woman for her very very poor choice.
The woman made a poor choice. The police made a poorer choice.
 
People think she should have remained homeless with her unborn child and stayed away from OWS for safety?

IMO society doesn't want to see or hear from her or her unborn child and some seem to think she probably should have stuck to living in alleys and or eating out of garbage cans to properly protect and nurturer that child! We all know some folks hate having to look at the homeless, its a real turnoff ,they should stay out of sight for their own good before the rich get really mad. Too bad she came out of that dark alley and tried to rise up.

As sad as it seems she would probably have been safer living in the shadows where she wouldn't be much of a burden to anyone.

Note to the homeless pregnant women, stay near your trash receptacles(homes)and keep quiet.
 
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People think she should have remained homeless with her unborn child and stayed away from OWS for safety?

IMO society doesn't want to see or hear from her or her unborn child and some seem to think she probably should have stuck to living in alleys and or eating out of garbage cans to properly protect and nurturer that child! We all know some folks hate having to look at the homeless, its a real turnoff ,they should stay out of sight for their own good before the rich get really mad. Too bad she came out of that dark alley and tried to rise up.

As sad as it seems she would probably have been safer living in the shadows where she wouldn't be much of a burden to anyone.

Note to the homeless pregnant women, stay near your trash receptacles(homes)and keep quiet.

'Like" was inadequate to express what a great post that is
THANKS for a very legitimate perspective. one that needed to be said
 
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