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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    That is a possibility, but going off of the information in the OP, which is what I assume apdst did, there is no reason to think that she did this.
    I could be wrong but police do not go hey I feel like throwing my career away lets needlessly use force on some protesters who are peaceful and not resisting arrest. The article most likely is not telling the whole story and are trying to make it appear as though some protesters were just minding their own business not doing anything wrong. I never heard of any stories of police using force against the republicans when they had their tea party protests. The reason for that is because their protests were peaceful.they didn't throw trashcans through Starbucks windows they didn't hog public places,they weren't resisting arrest or trying aid others in resisting arrest, they didn't harass school kids.They didn't harass burger King employees and customers, they didn't turn the areas they were protesting at into crime cesspools or any other **** like that.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    What do conservatives have to do with this case? Why was a pregnant woman putting herself in a confrontation with the police? And who said anything (I'm assuming that you're talking about the cops pepper-spraying someone) is "fun and games?" It most certainly isn't for the police. I would put money on the fact that this woman intentionally put herself in a confrontation with the police, and coerced them to use spray. Why? "...the city of Seattle will start to care as the lawsuits pour in." That pretty much says it all...

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by scott3dl View Post
    What do conservatives have to do with this case? Why was a pregnant woman putting herself in a confrontation with the police? And who said anything (I'm assuming that you're talking about the cops pepper-spraying someone) is "fun and games?" It most certainly isn't for the police. I would put money on the fact that this woman intentionally put herself in a confrontation with the police, and coerced them to use spray. Why? "...the city of Seattle will start to care as the lawsuits pour in." That pretty much says it all...
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Rut roh. This is what I was arguing with others about. It's all fun and games until someone has an asthma attack and dies, or some lady has a miscarriage. I don't suppose conservatives will much care, even though they are "pro-life" or whatever (since they seem to think pepper spraying large groups of people who are sitting down is funny), but the city of Seattle will start to care as the lawsuits pour in.
    It's okay to abort a fetus if a cop does it. Just not a doctor.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Pregnant Woman Blasted with Pepper Spray by SPD Says She Miscarried (Updated) | Slog
    In addition, Lark Stebbins, Fox's former foster mother of 10 years, said she had a prolonged history of exaggeration.

    "My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins told the Seattle Times. "She's a wannabe drama queen."
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    UPDATE on Nov. 22 at 3:47 PM: Yesterday Jennifer Fox claimed (first on this blog and then to The Stranger) that she miscarried her fetus, three months into her pregnancy, five days after police pepper sprayed her at an Occupy Seattle protest. I repeatedly asked if she could provide any medical records to back up her claim—a claim that doctors at Harborview Medical Center said her clash with police caused the miscarriage—but she said she would be in touch with a case worker. Lacking a way to verify her claim (except asking for her records) I said I would follow up.

    So I tracked Fox down today at the Occupy Seattle encampment at Seattle Central Community College. Had she contacted anyone at the hospital? “I can’t go to the hospital until Sunday or Monday,” she said. Fox said that she’s having a memorial service for her miscarried baby and one of her fellow occupiers is planning a candlelight vigil, which will consume her time until next week. Can't she get away to the hospital for an hour? “No.” I provided Fox a copy of a records release for the hospital, which she put into her coat, but again Fox said she couldn’t go request her records until next week. I offered her a ride to and from the hospital, but she again refused. I explained to Fox that, lacking any evidence of her claim, her story was increasingly subject to scrutiny.

    While sources in general should be given the benefit of the doubt—even if they are homeless women—and there is no evidence that Fox isn't being entirety forthright, her story looks increasingly dubious.

    It's worth pointing out that in the Seattlepi.com article last week, the reporter noted that Fox was two months pregnant, when she told me that she was three months pregnant at the time.

    UPDATE on Nov. 22 at 4:18 PM: Acting on an anonymous tip, we heard that Seattle police found Fox in a house six nearly nine weeks ago. According to a police report in which the names have been redacted, a suspect who appears to have a three-letter last name "said she is three months pregnant... and began crying when [a suspect] was arrested. [The person with a three-letter last name] began holding her stomach and screaming that it hurt." The woman was transferred to Harborview Medical Center. We are attempting to contact Fox to ask if she is the woman in the police report.

    SPD has now provided a statement, saying that no complaint has been filed in the original incident. Seattle police sergeant Sean Whitcomb says: "We are aware of a claim that a pregnant woman who attended the November 15 Occupy Seattle march has been treated for miscarriage. We are also aware that she has attributed the miscarriage to the use of pepper spray and physical contact by Seattle police officers. No formal complaint has been made. Consistent with standard procedure, the Office of Professional Accountability, or OPA, has initiated an internal investigation to look into the matter further. The OPA investigators will be actively searching for any information that will support this claim."
    Fox did not file a formal complaint about police brutality. Now why is that?
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    You know I've scanned this thread since my last post.

    I've come to know one thing that is often repeated that the 19 year old pregnant girl was wrong.
    Then there was the cops who would not want to lose their jobs.
    Then there was the weather report about Washington being cold in the winter.
    Then there was more accusations.

    Now I consider myself to be a reasonable poster with an open mind.

    So lets say the girl was wrong.
    Lets say that cops don't want to lose their jobs.
    Lets say the protestors in D.C. will get cold.
    Let's say there are violent people with hidden agendas in the crowd.

    What does that change you still have a lot of protestors that are not violent people and have no hidden agendas out there and they ain't happy.

    So, one 19 yr old pregnant girl was in the wrong place wrong time bad choice.
    There are 1000+ that will replace her.
    Just to flip the script do all politicians make the right decisions?

    Cops don't want to lose their jobs.
    If all cops are squeaky clean , how come they need I.A.D . to invesatagate them?

    Let's say the weather is cold in D.C.. too cold for the protestors to make it, they leave.

    Do you actually think that if changes aren't made the protestors won't come back in the summer.

    Try to picture D.C. ,Seattle or Memphis with protestors at the temp. of 99 +.
    The hotter it gets the more testy the protestors.

    Some on this forum on other threads are looking at these protestors as a bad dream , that soon they will all go away.

    In my opinion these protestors aren't going anywhere and if changes aren't made that dream just might become a nightmare.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    What pregnant girl? /facepalm
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Jennifer Fox, 'Miscarriage' Occupy Protestor, Has Told This Tale Before - Seattle News - The Daily Weekly

    Seattle police had responded to a vacant building located in 1250 Denny Way where a security officer reported five squatters. One of those people, according to police sources, was 19-year-old Jennifer Fox.
    According to the report, Fox told an officer she was three months pregnant and began crying when arrested.

    "(Fox) began holding her stomach and was screaming when she was arrested," read the report. (Fox) was treated at the scene and transported to HMC."

    Obviously Fox can't be three months pregnant in September and then still three months pregnant in November.

    Casting further doubt on the woman's claim, The Seattle Times reports that Fox's former foster mom says that she's a compulsive liar, and that she doubts she was ever pregnant at all.

    "My daughter is a compulsive liar," Stebbins said. "She's a wannabe drama queen."
    Fox, regardless, maintains that her story is true and that she will prove it by this weekend when she goes to the hospital and gets medical records that support her claim.

    Until that happens, however, Fox's tale should remain as something to be taken with a large grain of salt.
    Did she release the records by last weekend like she said she would?

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    It's okay to abort a fetus if a cop does it. Just not a doctor.
    There is zero proof that this girl was ever pregnant or ever miscarried. In spite of repeated requests from a sympathetic press, she has yet to release one scintilla of proof that this is anything other than a made up story to garner sympathy/money. Hell, her own mother and sister say she's a liar and you can't believe a word she says.

    Are you people this gullible over everything, or is it only with causes you believe in that you decide to surrender your objectivity and reason?

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