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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

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    Or police should not manhandle women at all, because any woman can potentially be pregnant, and getting violent with a pregnant would could result with murdering innocent children.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So no civil rights protests ever blocked streets or intersections? They actually held sit ins inside businesses and restaurants, which would result in lost customers and business revenue.

    Yes, these people are very different in some ways, but I really don't think it's honest to try to demonize the individual people in OWS on one hand and defend Civil Rights Movement on the other. People against the Civil Rights Movement then used the same tactics... attack the protesters themselves and not their message.
    Sitting in a business that refuses to serve black people, has at least some justification.
    Blocking traffic for regular janes and joes going to from work, to protest Wallstreet, in Seattle.

    No reason what so ever.

    The 2 situations are not equivalent.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Sitting in a business that refuses to serve black people, has at least some justification.
    Blocking traffic for regular janes and joes going to from work, to protest Wallstreet, in Seattle.

    No reason what so ever.

    The 2 situations are not equivalent.
    Again, are you claiming the Civil Rights movement never blocked a street or intersection? Are you seriously claiming that none of their protests or rallies ever interfered with one's ability to go to and from work with ease, or serve people a cup of coffee in their own business? And FTR, not all sit ins were held in segregated businesses and unions protesting unfair hiring practises would join the Civil Rights Movement. White, black, etc. would go in together, and they'd purchase cups of coffee and sit together and refuse to leave.


    In one of the earliest racially-connected sit-ins, followers of Father Divine and the International Peace Mission Movement joined with the Cafeteria Workers Union, Local 302, in September 1939 to protest racially unfair hiring practices at New York's Shack Sandwich Shops, Inc. According to the New York Times, Sep 23, 1939, "‎"On Thursday between 75 and 100 followers showed up at the restaurant at Forty-first Street and Lexington Avenue, where most of the strike activity has been concentrated, and groups went into the place, purchased five-cent cups of coffee, and conducted what might be described as a kind of customers' nickel sit down strike. Other patrons were unable to find seats."[5]

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Harry, I'd like to you explain how the actual Tea Party had justification to destroy private property and capital and succeed in shutting down an entire city port, but the OWS people have no justification to block a sidewalk.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Again, are you claiming the Civil Rights movement never blocked a street or intersection? Are you seriously claiming that none of their protests or rallies ever interfered with one's ability to go to and from work with ease, or serve people a cup of coffee in their own business? And FTR, not all sit ins were held in segregated businesses and unions protesting unfair hiring practises would join the Civil Rights Movement. White, black, etc. would go in together, and they'd purchase cups of coffee and sit together and refuse to leave.
    SheWolf, I saw the civil rights movement live. I lived through it. Comparing what these OWS protesters are doing to the civil rights movement, where a dozen courageous people would go into a white's only diner and wait for the police to come in and club them bloody, is almost insulting. Seriously. If you believe in OWS's tactics, by all means support them. But it really is upsetting to have it compared to a movement in which people were routinely rounded up by law enforcement and lynched, where live rounds were fired into peaceful protesters and dogs sicced on them. I saw this. I lived in that time. It's not the same. It's not the same at all.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    SheWolf, I saw the civil rights movement live. I lived through it. Comparing what these OWS protesters are doing to the civil rights movement, where a dozen courageous people would go into a white's only diner and wait for the police to come in and club them bloody, is almost insulting. Seriously. If you believe in OWS's tactics, by all means support them. But it really is upsetting to have it compared to a movement in which people were routinely rounded up by law enforcement and lynched, where live rounds were fired into peaceful protesters and dogs sicced on them. I saw this. I lived in that time. It's not the same. It's not the same at all.
    I am not saying it's the same thing at all. Protesting Wall St and protesting segregation is entirely different, and there is no comparison. Comparing the Boston Tea Party to OWS or the Civil Rights Movement is also unacceptable, and that's not what I am trying to do. I am debating Harry's statement,

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because protesting Wallstreet, by blocking streets and intersections in Seattle, is not the same as protesting people being treated as 2nd class citizens by law.
    He is interjecting the tactics of OWS and the fact is, the Civil Rights Movement did block streets and intersections, and the Birmingham Campaign shut down the city of Birmingham. The Boston Tea Party also shut down the entire city's port and it destroyed private property and private capital. OWS doesn't look like that big of deal in comparison, nor is the movement remotely similar to the Boston TP or the Civil Rights Movement... even that anti globalization protest in Seattle years ago had more steam than the OWS protest in terms of violence, clashes with police, and getting arrested.

    There is no valid reason for Harry to bring up the tactics of OWS in such a manner other than trying to attack the individual people and the integrity of the movement. By doing what he is doing, he is forgetting a lot of our nation's history in the process, and I kind have a problem with that...

    Simply put, people blocking intersections and streets doesn't reduce the movement to BS or reason to ridicule. In our country, the movements that have taken the most action and have had more people willing to risk their freedom, go to jail, or even die have also been some of the most successful political movements in the our history.

    Now I am not saying that OWS is going to make history and it's going to dramatically change the country. But what I am saying is that if Harry simply said, "there's no comparison in protesting Wall St and protesting segregation," then I'd agree with him and the discussion would end there.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    I wonder if these people were blocking the entrance to abortion clinics, if the same people would be defending their actions so vehemently.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I wonder if these people were blocking the entrance to abortion clinics, if the same people would be defending their actions so vehemently.
    I guess that would depend on whether you think abortion-on-demand is murder.

    But in any event, the law is the law. Blocking an entrance to a store or bank or clinic isn't right.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I guess that would depend on whether you think abortion-on-demand is murder.

    But in any event, the law is the law. Blocking an entrance to a store or bank or clinic isn't right.
    I hear you, but my point is that the cause itself shouldn't matter to someone who defends the form of protest that OWS is engaged in.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Again, are you claiming the Civil Rights movement never blocked a street or intersection? Are you seriously claiming that none of their protests or rallies ever interfered with one's ability to go to and from work with ease, or serve people a cup of coffee in their own business? And FTR, not all sit ins were held in segregated businesses and unions protesting unfair hiring practises would join the Civil Rights Movement. White, black, etc. would go in together, and they'd purchase cups of coffee and sit together and refuse to leave.
    If they're blocking innocent people from going about their daily lives and refuse to leave, I have no problem with the use of pepper spray, civil rights people or not.
    It should be expected.
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