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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

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    What women? You mean the 400lb ones that have had 20 kids on MTV? I don't think so, VM.
    Soldiers. Athletes. Women with irregular menstrual cycles. However the point remains the same and I think you are missing it (probably on purpose). There is nothing at all inappropriate in a woman 3 months pregnant attending a protest. It is as unlikely that she would encounter an incident causing a miscarriage as she would attending a sporting event or Christmas shopping at a mall.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    What women? You mean the 400lb ones that have had 20 kids on MTV? I don't think so, VM.
    With my first pregnancy, I was walking to work (across Pearl Harbor Shipyard) for well over half the pregnancy, including especially the first few months. The only reason that I was moved to the office and off the ships during my pregnancy was because I was put on a high risk pregnancy. I was out dancing, just like my mother while pregnant with me, until the week before my child was born. In fact, he was born early, on New Year's Eve, but I had every intention of going out dancing at the bar we would normally go to for New Year's Eve. In fact, at 5 months along, I was hit by a slow moving truck. I was showing at that time. Scared the hell out of me, but I ended up being fine. And I am/was within military standards when it comes to weight. In fact, many of the girls that were in the office were working out all throughout their pregnancy.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

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    Soldiers. Athletes. Women with irregular menstrual cycles. However the point remains the same and I think you are missing it (probably on purpose). There is nothing at all inappropriate in a woman 3 months pregnant attending a protest. It is as unlikely that she would encounter an incident causing a miscarriage as she would attending a sporting event or Christmas shopping at a mall.
    That is simply not true. I've posted on the confrontation threads just as often as you have. These protests can turn "ugly" in a heartbeat. When you have hundreds or thousands of people gathered in the street and they start moving? You're swept along, like it or not. You run the risk of being knocked down...being manhandled as someone else loses their balance...and, if people in the front start anything at all physical (including not obeying orders to move off), you run the risk of a stampede comin' back atcha.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That is simply not true. I've posted on the confrontation threads just as often as you have. These protests can turn "ugly" in a heartbeat. When you have hundreds or thousands of people gathered in the street and they start moving? You're swept along, like it or not. You run the risk of being knocked down...being manhandled as someone else loses their balance...and, if people in the front start anything at all physical (including not obeying orders to move off), you run the risk of a stampede comin' back atcha.
    I think a reasonable person would have a reasonable expectation to not be involved in an incident that would cause a miscarriage, even at a protest. Its a stretch to say she is guilty of negligence. I still believe the details of this whole thing are very sketchy. Im not at all convinced that she was waffle stomped by a cop during the protest. Id like to see a full investigation, and let the chips fall where they may.

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I think a reasonable person would have a reasonable expectation to not be involved in an incident that would cause a miscarriage, even at a protest. Its a stretch to say she is guilty of negligence. I still believe the details of this whole thing are very sketchy. Im not at all convinced that she was waffle stomped by a cop during the protest. Id like to see a full investigation, and let the chips fall where they may.
    That's way too much to ask. We should jump to conclusions based on whether we think the protestors are good people or evil incarnate.


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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That is simply not true. I've posted on the confrontation threads just as often as you have. These protests can turn "ugly" in a heartbeat. When you have hundreds or thousands of people gathered in the street and they start moving? You're swept along, like it or not. You run the risk of being knocked down...being manhandled as someone else loses their balance...and, if people in the front start anything at all physical (including not obeying orders to move off), you run the risk of a stampede comin' back atcha.
    What Occupy protests are you f'n going to where you are "swept" all along, are hurt or, better yet, have miscarriages? My family and I been to a few Occupy marches in NY/Boston and NONE have "swept" any of us to the point where we can't simply walk towards a side of the street and move away from them. Our kid isn't even in the stroller half the time and she has absolutely no problem walking right next to us. It's not the running of the bulls in Pamplona ffs. Gain some mother****ing perspective and actually attend one instead of talking as if you're some sort of authority on marches you watch on television.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What Occupy protests are you f'n going to where you are "swept" all along, are hurt or, better yet, have miscarriages? My family and I been to a few Occupy marches in NY/Boston and NONE have "swept" any of us to the point where we can't simply walk towards a side of the street and move away from them. Our kid isn't even in the stroller half the time and she has absolutely no problem walking right next to us. It's not the running of the bulls in Pamplona ffs. Gain some mother****ing perspective and actually attend one instead of talking as if you're some sort of authority on marches you watch on television.
    One of our posters posted a while ago that he was going to take his two daughters to OWS....three and 18-months, if I remember correctly. Being the calm, rational person I am, I was adamant that he was an idiot. He was (unlike some posters) politely adamant in the other direction. "What could go wrong." Well, I heard from that poster. He was honest enough to tell me afterwards that he decided not to bring his kids....and if he had'of, he would have had to turn around and go home.

    My best friend took her three-year-old to Navy Pier on the 4th of July. Thousands and thousands of people. The rush of the crowd was so overwhelming, that they became very concerned that they were in the midst of a mob mentality (albeit a very peaceful one). He put his daughter on his shoulders, and they left.

    I was at a convention in San Diego. Jay Leno was entertaining at the keynote event. The sound system failed. 3,000 people were asked to walk down a wide staircase to the floor below to enter a new room. Someone fell at the bottom of the stairs causing an immediate and serious pile-up. Several people were taken to the hospital.

    I was at Disneyland in Los Angeles. There's a huge 3-story escalator. A little girl, going down the escalator, got her shoelace caught at the bottom of the escalator. Her parents panicked....couldn't find the emergency-off. Fortunately, another visitor jumped over her and pressed the button to stop the staircase.

    I'm not an authority on marches, I'm a commonsense lady who understands the dangers of mere crowds. Add the incendiary nature of a protest to the crowd, and one has a recipe for disaster.

    The fact that you take your young child to a protest tells me everything I need to know about Hatuey.
    The fact that you can't post to me without expletives deleted tells me everything I need to know about Hatuey. ('Course it's Hatuey 201 for me....)

    I suggest you gain some perspective on how to post on a public forum and make yourself heard....instead of sounding like a raving lunatic.
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What Occupy protests are you f'n going to where you are "swept" all along, are hurt or, better yet, have miscarriages? My family and I been to a few Occupy marches in NY/Boston and NONE have "swept" any of us to the point where we can't simply walk towards a side of the street and move away from them. Our kid isn't even in the stroller half the time and she has absolutely no problem walking right next to us. It's not the running of the bulls in Pamplona ffs. Gain some mother****ing perspective and actually attend one instead of talking as if you're some sort of authority on marches you watch on television.
    So if it didn't happen in NY/Boston it couldn't possibly happen anywhere else? WOW!
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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    One of our posters posted a while ago that he was going to take his two daughters to OWS....three and 18-months, if I remember correctly. Being the calm, rational person I am, I was adamant that he was an idiot. He was (unlike some posters) politely adamant in the other direction. "What could go wrong." Well, I heard from that poster. He was honest enough to tell me afterwards that he decided not to bring his kids....and if he had'of, he would have had to turn around and go home.

    My best friend took her three-year-old to Navy Pier on the 4th of July. Thousands and thousands of people. The rush of the crowd was so overwhelming, that they became very concerned that they were in the midst of a mob mentality (albeit a very peaceful one). He put his daughter on his shoulders, and they left.

    I was at a convention in San Diego. Jay Leno was entertaining at the keynote event. The sound system failed. 3,000 people were asked to walk down a wide staircase to the floor below to enter a new room. Someone fell at the bottom of the stairs causing an immediate and serious pile-up. Several people were taken to the hospital.

    I was at Disneyland in Los Angeles. There's a huge 3-story escalator. A little girl, going down the escalator, got her shoelace caught at the bottom of the escalator. Her parents panicked....couldn't find the emergency-off. Fortunately, another visitor jumped over her and pressed the button to stop the staircase.

    I'm not an authority on marches, I'm a commonsense lady who understands the dangers of mere crowds. Add the incendiary nature of a protest to the crowd, and one has a recipe for disaster.

    The fact that you take your young child to a protest tells me everything I need to know about Hatuey.
    The fact that you can't post to me without expletives deleted tells me everything I need to know about Hatuey. ('Course it's Hatuey 201 for me....)

    I suggest you gain some perspective on how to post on a public forum and make yourself heard....instead of sounding like a raving lunatic.
    Mag's...what if a pregnant woman was caught up in that Jay Leno traffic pileup? Or maybe got shoved really hard at a sporting event? Should pregnant women avoid shopping at sales during Christmas season?

    And shouldnt we also maybe determine if this thing actually happened in the first place?

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    Re: Pregnant #OccupySeattle Protester Miscarries After Being Kicked, Pepper Sprayed

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Mag's...what if a pregnant woman was caught up in that Jay Leno traffic pileup? Or maybe got shoved really hard at a sporting event? Should pregnant women avoid shopping at sales during Christmas season?

    And shouldnt we also maybe determine if this thing actually happened in the first place?
    Oh, I totally agree with you. We know nothing. Vance, I view some behaviors as more risky than others. Should a woman be able to walk home alone safely from a single's bar half-loaded at 4 AM? Of course. Is that risky, You bet. Bad choice? You bet. I'm saying this lady made a poor choice, that's all. If a friend of mine did that who was 3 months pregnant, I'd think she'd lost her marbles. I think this lady was an idiot. But do I personally believe a copper kicked her in the stomach a few times? Absolutely not. Do I believe she was intentionally run into by a bicycle/motorcycle? Absolutely not. The only thing I'm most sure of is that she probably got sprayed with pepper spray. Was that a predictable outcome? Probably not. But one could say that anyone participating in these protests puts their lily white on the line in that regard....even if the pepper spray comes from blow-by. Risky behavior.
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