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UC Davis Students’ Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

Goshin said:
Given how displeased the mob was with her, and its size, anyone would be intimidated.... especially given that OWS has more than a little history of violent or criminal acts perpetrated by some members.

This is mob intimidation.......
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you find the sight of hundreds of college kids sitting silently & peacefully along a pathway, to be "mob intimidation"?
 
Goshin said:
Given how displeased the mob was with her, and its size, anyone would be intimidated.... especially given that OWS has more than a little history of violent or criminal acts perpetrated by some members.

This is mob intimidation. Having several hundred people displeased with you enough to sit around for hours waiting for your appearance just so they can give you the silent treatment has to make you realize how easy it would be for that mob to tear you to pieces if they so chose.

Okay, so they didn't choose to be violent today, how lovely... that's no guarantor of her safety.

I know what fear body language looks like, and she was scared.
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Oh ok. Glad to know where you stand.

1) If they yell and scream then clearly they are violent
2) If they act violently then obviously they are violent
3) If they sit down and hold hands it implies they could get violent
4) If they sit down in silence, then it is "mob mentality" and definitely hints at violence

Good to have you here, Goshin. Also good to know you support the right to peaceful assembly. Of course, when you ask her directly and she says, "no", well, she's just wrong or lying.

(Here comes the fourth thread ban)
 
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whysoserious said:
Oh ok. Glad to know where you stand.

1) If they yell and scream then clearly they are violent
2) If they act violently then obviously they are violent
3) If they sit down and hold hands it implies they could get violent
4) If they sit down in silence, then it is "mob mentality" and definitely hints at violence

Good to have you here, Goshin. Also good to know you support the right to peaceful assembly. Of course, when you ask her directly and she says, "no", well, she's just wrong or lying.
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if college-kids sitting peacefully & quietly along a pathway is a form of "mob intimidation", then what form of protest is acceptable?
 
Goshin said:
Given how displeased the mob was with her, and its size, anyone would be intimidated.... especially given that OWS has more than a little history of violent or criminal acts perpetrated by some members.

This is mob intimidation. Having several hundred people displeased with you enough to sit around for hours waiting for your appearance just so they can give you the silent treatment has to make you realize how easy it would be for that mob to tear you to pieces if they so chose.

Okay, so they didn't choose to be violent today, how lovely... that's no guarantor of her safety.

I know what fear body language looks like, and she was scared.
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Gandhi! Gandhi! Gandhi!
 
whysoserious said:
Oh ok. Glad to know where you stand.

1) If they yell and scream then clearly they are violent
2) If they act violently then obviously they are violent
3) If they sit down and hold hands it implies they could get violent
4) If they sit down in silence, then it is "mob mentality" and definitely hints at violence

Good to have you here, Goshin. Also good to know you support the right to peaceful assembly.
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Yeah, like you wouldn't have misconstrued anything I said anyway. :roll:

I've dealt with mobs before, and it is scary. A loud and rowdy mob can be scary, but a silent one can be scary too... it indicates coordinated purpose, and being the focus of that purpose is a very uncomfortable thing.

I recall once in my 20's, a bud and I went into this hole-in-the-wall redneck joint looking for a game of pool. We walked in the door, and EVERYONE (about 30 people) stopped what they were doing and turned to stare at us. They continued staring, in silence, for the five or ten seconds it took me to get my bud by the arm and say "Time to go..." and retreat back out the door. They couldn't have been clearer if they'd said out loud: "We don't know you, so you ain't welcome here".

I think claiming that intimidation was NOT intended is disingenuous.
 
Thunder said:
if college-kids sitting peacefully & quietly along a pathway is a form of "mob intimidation", then what form of protest is acceptable?
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They were not picnicking. They were defying police. They were ordered to leave. They refused. They were very likely hoping to be arrested.

And they must have noticed the can of spray. The decision was theirs to make. Walk or defy.
 
Thunder said:
if college-kids sitting peacefully & quietly along a pathway is a form of "mob intimidation", then what form of protest is acceptable?
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Sitting off a pathway? Just sayin...

Let's try a new perspective on for size: A buncha of guys in klan robes, with shotguns, standing on a sidewalk. You would respect their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights to do so? Believe that the cops should leave them be?
 
Goshin said:
Yeah, like you wouldn't have misconstrued anything I said anyway. :roll:

I've dealt with mobs before, and it is scary. A loud and rowdy mob can be scary, but a silent one can be scary too... it indicates coordinated purpose, and being the focus of that purpose is a very uncomfortable thing.

I recall once in my 20's, a bud and I went into this hole-in-the-wall redneck joint looking for a game of pool. We walked in the door, and EVERYONE (about 30 people) stopped what they were doing and turned to stare at us. They continued staring, in silence, for the five or ten seconds it took me to get my bud by the arm and say "Time to go..." and retreat back out the door. They couldn't have been clearer if they'd said out loud: "We don't know you, so you ain't welcome here".

I think claiming that intimidation was NOT intended is disingenuous.
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You mean like misconstruing someone as a troll when they are calling someone else out on logical fallacies? Comparing a bunch of rednecks in a bar who think you look different is a glaring misrepresentation of the situation. Please show me in this video where you have any reason to suspect these students has potential to get violent (more than any other protest):




You can implicate them of anything you want. You can say, "well they could do this" or "they could do that", but that's speculation and baseless. What specifically can you point to that hints at violence, and why do you not take her at her word when she says she is not* scared? You are better at reading body language than she is at knowing her own feelings?
 
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apdst said:
Sitting off a pathway? Just sayin...

Let's try a new perspective on for size: A buncha of guys in klan robes, with shotguns, standing on a sidewalk. You would respect their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights to do so? Believe that the cops should leave them be?
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college kids sitting peacefully and silently along a pathway...is a little different than hooded Klansmen standing on a sidewalk with shotguns in hand.

wouldn't you agree?
 
Goshin said:
Yeah, like you wouldn't have misconstrued anything I said anyway. :roll:

I've dealt with mobs before, and it is scary. A loud and rowdy mob can be scary, but a silent one can be scary too... it indicates coordinated purpose, and being the focus of that purpose is a very uncomfortable thing.

I recall once in my 20's, a bud and I went into this hole-in-the-wall redneck joint looking for a game of pool. We walked in the door, and EVERYONE (about 30 people) stopped what they were doing and turned to stare at us. They continued staring, in silence, for the five or ten seconds it took me to get my bud by the arm and say "Time to go..." and retreat back out the door. They couldn't have been clearer if they'd said out loud: "We don't know you, so you ain't welcome here".

I think claiming that intimidation was NOT intended is disingenuous.
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Who gives a **** if it was intended or not. They are within their rights to protest in this manner.
 
Ikari said:
Who gives a **** if it was intended or not. They are within their rights to protest in this manner.
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I'm pretty sure I didn't say they didn't. I said that part of the purpose was intimidation, and I stand by that.

Lots of people refuse to admit being scared. She looked pretty damn scared to me.
 
whysoserious said:
You mean like misconstruing someone as a troll when they are calling someone else out on logical fallacies?
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Comparing a bunch of rednecks in a bar who think you look different is a glaring misrepresentation of the situation. Please show me in this video where you have any reason to suspect these students has potential to get violent (more than any other protest):

You can implicate them of anything you want. You can say, "well they could do this" or "they could do that", but that's speculation and baseless. What specifically can you point to that hints at violence, and why do you not take her at her word when she says she is scared? You are better at reading body language than she is at knowing her own feelings?
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Yeah, it's pretty clear that they weren't going for violence. This woman will be gone by the end of the year if she's afraid of her own students.
 
Goshin said:
I'm pretty sure I didn't say they didn't. I said that part of the purpose was intimidation, and I stand by that.

Lots of people refuse to admit being scared. She looked pretty damn scared to me.
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So? There was nothing wrong with their protest and if she looked scared then it was because of actions she had taken against the student body. But the students were well within their rights to do as they did. It was peaceful assembly and protest.
 
whysoserious said:
She was clearly very calm. Are we watching the same video? I don't know if it is shame, guilt, awe, or what, but she was clearly not fearful at that moment. If you see something else, please point it out in the video. And please, no one is impressed that you have a gun. I couldn't give less of a **** and it doesn't scare me either.
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I disagree with you and agree with most other people here. She looked scared as hell and I can tell from your post to Goshin that you're not a fan of people who claim to be able to read body language, but most animals can read body language and as an animal, all I have to say is that she looked scared as hell.
 
Kaheli needs to resign.

She called for the cops to clear the area, then hanged them out to dry after they did so in a way that doesn't photograph well.

Chicken****. She should have looked at some video of Reagan and Berzerkeley.
 
Tigger said:
Only because they're both stupid enough to be UNARMED. Those of us who go ARMED in public would never be intimidated by those sorts of worthless sacks of trash.
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I'm betting you don't carry enough ammunition to shoot 500 people Tig.
 
UC Davis' President looked amazed, stunned, and shocked by the incredible commitment of the students sitting by her feet. She almost looked....humbled.

afraid? I see none of that.

people in fear walk fast, but this lady took her time, to observe her students. I think she was very proud of them.
 
Thunder said:
UC Davis' President looked amazed, stunned, and shocked by the incredible commitment of the students sitting by her feet. She almost looked....humbled.

afraid? I see none of that.

people in fear walk fast, but this lady took her time, to observe her students. I think she was very proud of them.
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And to think only a day before, she'd sicced the cops on them. What a woman.
 
theplaydrive said:
I disagree with you and agree with most other people here. She looked scared as hell and I can tell from your post to Goshin that you're not a fan of people who claim to be able to read body language, but most animals can read body language and as an animal, all I have to say is that she looked scared as hell.
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Goshin has displayed a clear contempt for me, which is why I react in kind. But your change of heart confuses me since two posts earlier you said:

theplaydrive said:
Yeah, it's pretty clear that they weren't going for violence.
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She stated flat out that she was not fearful of the students, and even you admit that they didn't pose any threat. I agree she looked shaken, but that doesn't mean fearful (and especially fearful of the students!). How do you know the specific emotion she was feeling?
 
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whysoserious said:
Goshin has displayed a clear contempt for me, which is why I react in kind. But your change of heart confuses me since two posts earlier you said:

She stated flat out that she was not fearful of the students, and even you admit that they didn't pose any threat. I agree she looked shaken, but that doesn't mean fearful. How do you know the specific emotion she was feeling?
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I didn't have a change of heart. It is clear they weren't going for violence. It's also clear that she was scared.

How do I know? I don't since I'm not her. But I also don't know that when my friend cries she's sad. I just come to educated conclusions based on her tears. I've come to an educated conclusion based on her body language.
 
theplaydrive said:
...How do I know? I don't since I'm not her. But I also don't know that when my friend cries she's sad. I just come to educated conclusions based on her tears. I've come to an educated conclusion based on her body language.
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if she was frightened by these college-kids, why was she walking soo slowly passed them?

why did she keep looking at them?

if I was her and afraid, I would have just looked straight ahead, and walked as fast as I could.

clearly, this woman was not in fear...but in awe.
 
Thunder said:
if she was frightened by these college-kids, why was she walking soo slowly passed them?

why did she keep looking at them?

if I was her and afraid, I would have just looked straight ahead, and walked as fast as I could.

clearly, this woman was not in fear...but in awe.
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I think she was in both. People can and do walk slowly in fear. People look at things they are afraid of. In fact, people often walk slowly and look at things when they are in haunted houses - when they are afraid. In sum, she looked scared to me and I think she was also in awe too.
 
theplaydrive said:
I think she was in both. People can and do walk slowly in fear. People look at things they are afraid of. In fact, people often walk slowly and look at things when they are in haunted houses - when they are afraid. In sum, she looked scared to me and I think she was also in awe too.
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So she lied why asked about that for what reason? Why assume she is crying because she is scared of the protesters and not because she is upset with herself and the fact that her career is now on the ropes (rightfully or not)?
 
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