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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Oh ok. Glad to know where you stand.

    1) If they yell and scream then clearly they are violent
    2) If they act violently then obviously they are violent
    3) If they sit down and hold hands it implies they could get violent
    4) If they sit down in silence, then it is "mob mentality" and definitely hints at violence

    Good to have you here, Goshin. Also good to know you support the right to peaceful assembly.

    Yeah, like you wouldn't have misconstrued anything I said anyway.

    I've dealt with mobs before, and it is scary. A loud and rowdy mob can be scary, but a silent one can be scary too... it indicates coordinated purpose, and being the focus of that purpose is a very uncomfortable thing.

    I recall once in my 20's, a bud and I went into this hole-in-the-wall redneck joint looking for a game of pool. We walked in the door, and EVERYONE (about 30 people) stopped what they were doing and turned to stare at us. They continued staring, in silence, for the five or ten seconds it took me to get my bud by the arm and say "Time to go..." and retreat back out the door. They couldn't have been clearer if they'd said out loud: "We don't know you, so you ain't welcome here".

    I think claiming that intimidation was NOT intended is disingenuous.

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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if college-kids sitting peacefully & quietly along a pathway is a form of "mob intimidation", then what form of protest is acceptable?
    They were not picnicking. They were defying police. They were ordered to leave. They refused. They were very likely hoping to be arrested.

    And they must have noticed the can of spray. The decision was theirs to make. Walk or defy.

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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if college-kids sitting peacefully & quietly along a pathway is a form of "mob intimidation", then what form of protest is acceptable?
    Sitting off a pathway? Just sayin...

    Let's try a new perspective on for size: A buncha of guys in klan robes, with shotguns, standing on a sidewalk. You would respect their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights to do so? Believe that the cops should leave them be?
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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, like you wouldn't have misconstrued anything I said anyway.

    I've dealt with mobs before, and it is scary. A loud and rowdy mob can be scary, but a silent one can be scary too... it indicates coordinated purpose, and being the focus of that purpose is a very uncomfortable thing.

    I recall once in my 20's, a bud and I went into this hole-in-the-wall redneck joint looking for a game of pool. We walked in the door, and EVERYONE (about 30 people) stopped what they were doing and turned to stare at us. They continued staring, in silence, for the five or ten seconds it took me to get my bud by the arm and say "Time to go..." and retreat back out the door. They couldn't have been clearer if they'd said out loud: "We don't know you, so you ain't welcome here".

    I think claiming that intimidation was NOT intended is disingenuous.
    You mean like misconstruing someone as a troll when they are calling someone else out on logical fallacies? Comparing a bunch of rednecks in a bar who think you look different is a glaring misrepresentation of the situation. Please show me in this video where you have any reason to suspect these students has potential to get violent (more than any other protest):




    You can implicate them of anything you want. You can say, "well they could do this" or "they could do that", but that's speculation and baseless. What specifically can you point to that hints at violence, and why do you not take her at her word when she says she is not* scared? You are better at reading body language than she is at knowing her own feelings?
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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sitting off a pathway? Just sayin...

    Let's try a new perspective on for size: A buncha of guys in klan robes, with shotguns, standing on a sidewalk. You would respect their 1st and 2nd Amendment rights to do so? Believe that the cops should leave them be?
    college kids sitting peacefully and silently along a pathway...is a little different than hooded Klansmen standing on a sidewalk with shotguns in hand.

    wouldn't you agree?

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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah, like you wouldn't have misconstrued anything I said anyway.

    I've dealt with mobs before, and it is scary. A loud and rowdy mob can be scary, but a silent one can be scary too... it indicates coordinated purpose, and being the focus of that purpose is a very uncomfortable thing.

    I recall once in my 20's, a bud and I went into this hole-in-the-wall redneck joint looking for a game of pool. We walked in the door, and EVERYONE (about 30 people) stopped what they were doing and turned to stare at us. They continued staring, in silence, for the five or ten seconds it took me to get my bud by the arm and say "Time to go..." and retreat back out the door. They couldn't have been clearer if they'd said out loud: "We don't know you, so you ain't welcome here".

    I think claiming that intimidation was NOT intended is disingenuous.
    Who gives a **** if it was intended or not. They are within their rights to protest in this manner.
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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Who gives a **** if it was intended or not. They are within their rights to protest in this manner.

    I'm pretty sure I didn't say they didn't. I said that part of the purpose was intimidation, and I stand by that.

    Lots of people refuse to admit being scared. She looked pretty damn scared to me.

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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    You mean like misconstruing someone as a troll when they are calling someone else out on logical fallacies?


    Comparing a bunch of rednecks in a bar who think you look different is a glaring misrepresentation of the situation. Please show me in this video where you have any reason to suspect these students has potential to get violent (more than any other protest):

    You can implicate them of anything you want. You can say, "well they could do this" or "they could do that", but that's speculation and baseless. What specifically can you point to that hints at violence, and why do you not take her at her word when she says she is scared? You are better at reading body language than she is at knowing her own feelings?
    Yeah, it's pretty clear that they weren't going for violence. This woman will be gone by the end of the year if she's afraid of her own students.

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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm pretty sure I didn't say they didn't. I said that part of the purpose was intimidation, and I stand by that.

    Lots of people refuse to admit being scared. She looked pretty damn scared to me.
    So? There was nothing wrong with their protest and if she looked scared then it was because of actions she had taken against the student body. But the students were well within their rights to do as they did. It was peaceful assembly and protest.
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    Re: UC Davis Studentsí Eerie, Powerful Protest Against Pepper-Spray Chancellor

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    She was clearly very calm. Are we watching the same video? I don't know if it is shame, guilt, awe, or what, but she was clearly not fearful at that moment. If you see something else, please point it out in the video. And please, no one is impressed that you have a gun. I couldn't give less of a **** and it doesn't scare me either.
    I disagree with you and agree with most other people here. She looked scared as hell and I can tell from your post to Goshin that you're not a fan of people who claim to be able to read body language, but most animals can read body language and as an animal, all I have to say is that she looked scared as hell.

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