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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Your problem is that you are mixing OWS protesters with people who showed up and camped out because there were events going on. When you have a camp out in public, you're going to get vagrants showing up... obviously.

    ahhhh.... goooottcha..... so the OWS Protestors, by definition, are the goodies, while if your a baddie, by definition, you can't be an OWS protestor, irrespective of what you do or say, because OWS'ers must be the goodies.

    so, for example, if you are carrying a sign decrying police brutality and yourself become an innocent victim of police brutality, that day you are an OWSer. but if the next day you get released from the hospital and rape another protestor, then on that day you're not an OWS'er. OWSdom, therefore, is protected from ever turning out to be a bunch of idiot kids with no self-reliance, self-discipline, or self-control; but instead becomes a mythical pure unicorn.

    NOW it makes sense. thanks whysoserious! :

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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ahhhh.... goooottcha..... so the OWS Protestors, by definition, are the goodies, while if your a baddie, by definition, you can't be an OWS protestor, irrespective of what you do or say, because OWS'ers must be the goodies.

    so, for example, if you are carrying a sign decrying police brutality and yourself become an innocent victim of police brutality, that day you are an OWSer. but if the next day you get released from the hospital and rape another protestor, then on that day you're not an OWS'er. OWSdom, therefore, is protected from ever turning out to be a bunch of idiot kids with no self-reliance, self-discipline, or self-control; but instead becomes a mythical pure unicorn.

    NOW it makes sense. thanks whysoserious! :
    Now you are just putting words into my mouth. I don't think I ever said there were no bad OWS protesters, but I am pretty sure it is common knowledge (and common sense), that the homeless have basically "joined" the cause. Just use your head, cpwill, it's not that tough.
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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ahhhh.... goooottcha..... so the OWS Protestors, by definition, are the goodies, while if your a baddie, by definition, you can't be an OWS protestor, irrespective of what you do or say, because OWS'ers must be the goodies.

    so, for example, if you are carrying a sign decrying police brutality and yourself become an innocent victim of police brutality, that day you are an OWSer. but if the next day you get released from the hospital and rape another protestor, then on that day you're not an OWS'er. OWSdom, therefore, is protected from ever turning out to be a bunch of idiot kids with no self-reliance, self-discipline, or self-control; but instead becomes a mythical pure unicorn.

    NOW it makes sense. thanks whysoserious! :
    Why don't you stop spewing propagandist trash and stop twisting the words of your fellow Americans to suit your agenda? He said nothing of the kind. You're the one turning into good vs. bad, which is not where we're at all.

    Every time you walk into a thread and create a post that basically fabricates an entire story about what someone said, it makes you look like a fool.

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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Okay, but if the protests did not take liberties not found within the rights then this would not have happened at all. This is the point in the contrast. Past that I was sharing a protest that I agree with. It's not complicated.
    The problem you people are having is that you keep comparing day-long protests to a two-month-long protest. There are no similarities besides the fact that they are both protests. Let me ask you, how many OWS incidents were there in the first day? How about the second?

    But yeah, after a week or two, when it starts getting popular and more people are showing up (who aren't necessarily aligned with the original intent of the protest), **** is going to start going down hill.
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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    The problem you people are having is that you keep comparing day-long protests to a two-month-long protest. There are no similarities besides the fact that they are both protests. Let me ask you, how many OWS incidents were there in the first day? How about the second?

    But yeah, after a week or two, when it starts getting popular and more people are showing up (who aren't necessarily aligned with the original intent of the protest), **** is going to start going down hill.
    Okay, I made the point that the muslim protest did not overstay it's welcome. How many of my other points would you like to make easier for me?
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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Let me explain where I am at on that. The muslim proters are american citizens or otherwise here on guest visas. I am not commenting on them with that statement, I am commenting on the unamerican activities of some of the OWS protesters such as charging police, ****ting in public parks, and otherwise doing nothing but bitching and griping for their own personal reasons. I am proud of what the muslim protesters did whether or not I ultimately agree with them.

    Funny, America is the only country I know of with a constitution that guarantees the rights of its citizen to carry arms in case of a rebellion against the government, basically the founders of this country believe in the possibilities of a citizen uprising in the future, a process which gave birth to the country itself, they wrote the constitutions to protect and prepare the citizens for such a possibility, and you think the OWS camping in a park, making noises, and resisting arrests is "unamerican"?

    It's one thing to disagree with the OWS for their demands and purpose, but it's another to say that their protest is "unamerican" because they broke laws, the Civil Rights movement resulted in many activists breaking laws. If you use breaking laws and getting arrested as the measuring stick of a movement, then many of the leaders in the Civil Rights movement would be deemed nothing more than criminals - and in fact that's what many white Americans thought of them.

    If the Muslim succeed in getting the objective through, good for them, but what if they can't with civil protests? Should they retire to their houses knowing they have protested and just live with the surveillance anyway? That's what happened with the Iraq War protesters. Is that the "American" thing to do?
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Okay, I made the point that the muslim protest did not overstay it's welcome. How many of my other points would you like to make easier for me?
    I actually agree with you that the OWS movement has gone on too long. You won't get any argument from me there.
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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I actually agree with you that the OWS movement has gone on too long. You won't get any argument from me there.
    two long????

    its only been two months.

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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    two long????

    its only been two months.
    Every day for two months. Can't they take a break or a shower? Have they changed one thing? Are they close to changing anything? Have they picked a goal yet? The OWS protest started out noble enough, but it has turned into a joke.
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    Re: New York Muslims Rally To Protest NYPD Surveillance Program

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    ...Have they changed one thing? Are they close to changing anything?....
    how long did Abolition take?

    women's suffrage?

    voting rights for 18 year olds?

    abortion rights?

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