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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So you are agreeing that you are wrong with your earlier statement?
    And if you would like to get educated on their demands ill provide them for you here instead of making ignorant typical remarks


    I can tell the view of the movement you have is the one FOX "News" only preaches to you.




    Yea education sucks!
    Actually this list of demands just confirms everyone's view of the movement. No basis in reality, extreme leftism, complete misunderstanding of economics, and a huge sense of entitlement. Demand 11 was good enough for a hearty laugh.

    EDIT: The funny thing is Obama already granted demand 6. It should be rewritten as $2 trillion in infrastructure spending. They want to do this while wiping all debt on the planet out? How are they going to go about paying for it?

    Seriously, the fact that you the balls enough to even post something like this in defense of the movement is pitiful. Thanks for exposing the absurdity of your own beliefs.
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    Actually this list of demands just confirms everyone's view of the movement. No basis in reality, extreme leftism, complete misunderstanding of economics, and a huge sense of entitlement. Demand 11 was good enough for a hearty laugh.
    And do you believe that this is some 'official" list that every OWS participant, supporter and sympathizer pledges their support to?
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And do you believe that this is some 'official" list that every OWS participant, supporter and sympathizer pledges their support to?
    There is no uniformity in the movement, hell there is rarely uniformity in any movement. The list is representative of the movement as a whole as it is their "official list of demands". You can play the fragmentation game all you like. It doesn't restore credibility to the movement as a whole.

    EDIT: Correction. This isn't their official list of demands, it's just their number #1 post on their forums. Here is a more reasonable "Demands for Congress"

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...post-manifest/

    The reality is they have no official list of demands, a reflection of their lack of leadership and cohesiveness. If they keep complaining about misrepresentation, why are they unable to form any sort of agreement about what they want? Hell the Tea Party was able to sweep the 2010 elections and put 2 candidates into the Republican presidential primaries. These people can't even figure out what they want.
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    There is no uniformity in the movement, hell there is rarely uniformity in any movement. The list is representative of the movement as a whole as it is their "official list of demands". You can play the fragmentation game all you like. It doesn't restore credibility to the movement as a whole.
    And this list comes from who exactly if it is so "representative'?

    I am sympathetic to the entire movement but I do not endorse that list of most of the things on it. For a living, I am in government and politics and I no of nobody who I work with or associate with on the Democratic side that would agree with that list.

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    this from conservatieoutpost.com about the so called author of that list

    What I am about to post for you here is real. This comes from an Occupy Wall Street Website, posted by an individual by the name of Lloyd J. Hart. While I am ready to get into what is being said on this website, a little background information is needed so all of you know about what is being said here. While searching through the website and entering the “About” section, the author of the website is very clear to state that this is NOT an official Occupy Wall Street website and members are not connected with other groups in the movement, although all in the movement are welcome to come to the website and form up in the fight against…well…we will get to that in just a moment.
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And this list comes from who exactly if it is so "representative'?

    I am sympathetic to the entire movement but I do not endorse that list of most of the things on it. For a living, I am in government and politics and I no of nobody who I work with or associate with on the Democratic side that would agree with that list.
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    this from conservatieoutpost.com about the so called author of that list
    Read my latest edit.

    One persons views - no more and no less.
    Just because you'd like it to be that doesn't make it true. TheDemSocialist seems to like those demands. You like to dismiss them because they reflect poorly on the movement you support, but nonetheless, it's a list posted by members on what they would like to see happen. Hell, we all know, that some of the less ridiculous demands on the list such as free college education, single payer universal healthcare, and $2 trillion in infrastructure and alternative energy spending is supported by a hell of lot more than just one member. Many people on this board push for those demands.
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    So you are agreeing that you are wrong with your earlier statement?
    And if you would like to get educated on their demands ill provide them for you here instead of making ignorant typical remarks


    Yea education sucks!
    You just proved my point, for me. The idiocy that went into thinking up those dumbass ideas in amazing.

    That's nothing but a list of Libbo wet dreams and not a single clue how to pay for all that crap, other than raising taxes.

    If you call that, "education", then yeah, education does suck!

    That's proof that education and intelligence aren't the same thing. This crap won't work. Ever hear of Greece? Italy?

    I can tell the view of the movement you have is the one FOX "News" only preaches to you.
    Actually, I live in the real world and have enough real world experience to know that these demands are the height of stupidity. I have a job. I pay taxes. I know that this bull**** isn't going to work.
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post

    Just because you'd like it to be that doesn't make it true. TheDemSocialist seems to like those demands. You like to dismiss them because they reflect poorly on the movement you support, but nonetheless, it's a list posted by members on what they would like to see happen. Hell, we all know, that some of the less ridiculous demands on the list such as free college education, single payer universal healthcare, and $2 trillion in infrastructure and alternative energy spending is supported by a hell of lot more than just one member. Many people on this board push for those demands.
    No. I dismisss them because I see little mainstream support for them among progressives and democrats with which I work every working day.

    You confuse support for infrastructure with these specific demands.
    You confuse support for increased minimum wage with these specific demands.
    You confuse support for education with these specific demands.
    You confuse support for health care with these specific demands.
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Is the corporation bad for trying to do what everyone else does? We try to pay as little taxes as possible and maximize our income by taking tax breaks and filing for refunds. It's not the corporations fault for being wise with the tax code. They didn't break any laws. The fault lies with congress who writes the tax code. I do think it's unethical to not pay any taxes and that companies should, but they shouldn't be attacked for doing what the vast majority of Americans do with their personal income
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Is the corporation bad for trying to do what everyone else does? We try to pay as little taxes as possible and maximize our income by taking tax breaks and filing for refunds. It's not the corporations fault for being wise with the tax code. They didn't break any laws. The fault lies with congress who writes the tax code. I do think it's unethical to not pay any taxes and that companies should, but they shouldn't be attacked for doing what the vast majority of Americans do with their personal income
    Why is it unethical not to pay taxes, if you don't owe any taxes?
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    Re: Major profitable corporations are paying negative income taxes.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You confuse support for infrastructure with these specific demands.
    You confuse support for increased minimum wage with these specific demands.
    You confuse support for education with these specific demands.
    You confuse support for health care with these specific demands.
    No, I don't confuse any of these. The difference between these demands and popular democratic positions are the level of support they lend these issues. You argue that the demands overstate the levels of support that are popular among the Democratic party. You're cherry-picking. You use the more moderate positions to paint the entire party with and dismiss attempts to use more radical positions to paint the same picture.

    You already had $1 trillion in infrastructure and alternative energy spending.
    I didn't mention the minimum wage.
    You already have government-backed student loan programs and have already passed partial debt forgiveness.
    You already passed a giant healthcare package.

    These demands piss you off because they show the lunacy in the entitlement message of your party. The demands are radical but the principles aren't far off what is already being proposed.
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