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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Idiotic, but sadly not surprising from Bachmann. Obama's following through with the Bush laid plan for withdrawal that is far and away the correct choice. We took our time there, trained their guys, got them through the incredibly unstable period to let them set up their government. Unless we plan to be there with significant numbers indefinitely, which is stupid from a strategic and fiscal stand point, we have to draw down at some point. If Obama is desecrating the American dead then every Republican who was going along with Bush on his handling of the Iraq War are doing it as well.

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Idiotic, but sadly not surprising from Bachmann. Obama's following through with the Bush laid plan for withdrawal that is far and away the correct choice. We took our time there, trained their guys, got them through the incredibly unstable period to let them set up their government. Unless we plan to be there with significant numbers indefinitely, which is stupid from a strategic and fiscal stand point, we have to draw down at some point. If Obama is desecrating the American dead then every Republican who was going along with Bush on his handling of the Iraq War are doing it as well.
    Geez, I must have watched the wrong war on the Internet. I saw us invade a country that was no threat to us, killed 4,500 GIs, killed a conservatively estimated 100,000+ Iraqis and devastated Iraq's infrastructure. This was an optional war, a war of choice, a war of big Corporate profit, a war that was good for business and energy and big money. We lied, renditioned, tortured, killed and all at a very handsome corporate profit and now the people pay the price. This all in a country that was considered cosmopolitan with female education in a muslim country. We've set the country back fifty years but our big Corporations have nice oil contracts and business contracts. One of the steps to our bankruptcy, don't you think?

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Geez, I must have watched the wrong war on the Internet. I saw us invade a country that was no threat to us, killed 4,500 GIs, killed a conservatively estimated 100,000+ Iraqis and devastated Iraq's infrastructure. This was an optional war, a war of choice, a war of big Corporate profit, a war that was good for business and energy and big money. We lied, renditioned, tortured, killed and all at a very handsome corporate profit and now the people pay the price. This all in a country that was considered cosmopolitan with female education in a muslim country. We've set the country back fifty years but our big Corporations have nice oil contracts and business contracts. One of the steps to our bankruptcy, don't you think?
    Well, thank you for the pointless, stereotypical, paint by numbers anti-iraq war rant. Care to tell me what any apart of it had to do at all with what my quoted post said, or what this topic was, or did you just see the word "Iraq" and fired up your word document to figure out which generic talking points you could post based on that keyword?

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Idiotic, but sadly not surprising from Bachmann. Obama's following through with the Bush laid plan for withdrawal that is far and away the correct choice. We took our time there, trained their guys, got them through the incredibly unstable period to let them set up their government. Unless we plan to be there with significant numbers indefinitely, which is stupid from a strategic and fiscal stand point, we have to draw down at some point. If Obama is desecrating the American dead then every Republican who was going along with Bush on his handling of the Iraq War are doing it as well.
    The worse part about it is, it probably worked to some degree. Most people probably do not remember President Bush's plan unless President Obama directly saying, "following the plan of the previous administration." So, her cheap political punch probably will work with people on the right, who just want to get rid of the President and can use this, and people who are just uninformed.
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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, thank you for the pointless, stereotypical, paint by numbers anti-iraq war rant. Care to tell me what any apart of it had to do at all with what my quoted post said, or what this topic was, or did you just see the word "Iraq" and fired up your word document to figure out which generic talking points you could post based on that keyword?
    "Well, thank you for the pointless, stereotypical, paint by numbers anti-iraq war rant." And that would be exactly how one must respond to a pointless, stereotypical, paint by numbers pro-Iraq rant." I actually affirm that starting the Iraq War assured American dead and the lies, rendition, torture are the desecration thereof. The soldiers are good guys just doing their jobs and expect the politicians to engage them in honest, justifiable actions when the peoples lives are threatened, don't you think.

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "Well, thank you for the pointless, stereotypical, paint by numbers anti-iraq war rant." And that would be exactly how one must respond to a pointless, stereotypical, paint by numbers pro-Iraq rant."
    Please point out the statement in my last post that indicated it was "pro-iraq" in any way?

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Please point out the statement in my last post that indicated it was "pro-iraq" in any way?
    Internet logic says that if you take issue with any part of someone's post then you must support w/e they're against. duh.

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Idiotic, but sadly not surprising from Bachmann. Obama's following through with the Bush laid plan for withdrawal that is far and away the correct choice. We took our time there, trained their guys, got them through the incredibly unstable period to let them set up their government. Unless we plan to be there with significant numbers indefinitely, which is stupid from a strategic and fiscal stand point, we have to draw down at some point. If Obama is desecrating the American dead then every Republican who was going along with Bush on his handling of the Iraq War are doing it as well.
    The post infers that we are helping out these Iraqis. "If Obama is desecrating the American dead then every Republican who was going along with Bush on his handling of the Iraq War are doing it as well." And the quote acknowledges the desecration, eh? We haven't been helping anybody except to try to stabilize a Nation we invaded for the large energy contracts and stable business environment that might be created. Since the originally stated purposes of the conflict have been repudiated, one must fall back on Capitalism, Cronyism, Corporatism, and the war is good business logic of a Nation that spends 60% of its budget on military, weapons, war, etc. and the businesses that prosper from same. Desecration is rampant by both Democrats and Republicans but they're all flying their flags to present an "image" of patriotism and the key word is image. I'd rather discuss the actual realities.

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The post infers that we are helping out these Iraqis. "If Obama is desecrating the American dead then every Republican who was going along with Bush on his handling of the Iraq War are doing it as well."
    No, its implying that if a Republican believes that Obama's action of withdrawing are desecrating to the the dead but supported Bush's strategy, which included the withdrawl that Obama is following, then they too much be desecrating the dead.

    I made no judgement statement in regards to whether or not the entire war was a desecration, or wrong. I was simply stating that Obama's withdrawl plan is the same as Bush's, meaning IF one is to call Obama's a "desecration" while supporting Bush's then one must acknowledge they supported a "desecration" as well in their opinion.

    And the quote acknowledges the desecration, eh?
    The quote acknowledges that some people have the opinion its a desecration of the dead. Desecration is depriving something of its sacred characters, and what is or isn't sacred to someone is a personal opinion thus there is no universal truth to what is or isn't "desecrating". Its an individual perception. Bachmann could absolutely percieve the lives of those soldiers as being "desecrated" if she wants, I'm simply stating that if she does she must suggest she's in support of desecrating them since she supported Bush's timetable for withdrawl.

    We haven't been helping anybody except to try to stabilize a Nation we invaded for the large energy contracts and stable business environment that might be created. Since the originally stated purposes of the conflict have been repudiated, one must fall back on Capitalism, Cronyism, Corporatism, and the war is good business logic of a Nation that spends 60% of its budget on military, weapons, war, etc. and the businesses that prosper from same.
    Simon, got that picture of "Issues" handy because we have another one?

    Yes yes, you don't like the Iraq war. Blood for oil, haliburton, bush lied, rabble rabble rabble. There's a **** ton of threads discussing it, why not take it there. What does any of that have to do with someones belief that withdrawing now desecrates the dead? That our very being there already desecrated it? If so, why not actually say that then going on and on and on and on about all your issues with the war?

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    Re: Bachmann: Obama Ending Iraq War Is Desecration Of American Dead

    I simply don't think Bachman's remark can be commented on without actually dealing with the truth. Her comment is dependent on believing the lies of the previous administration. One must reveal the lies again and again and then evaluate the comment. Our recent wars have been about business, not freedom, liberty, and numerous buzzwords implanted in the media by those who's job it is to engineer perception. The same on debate boards. It is the perception that must be dealt with. Step one.

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