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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Seriously, I'm at the point where I think we should amend the Constitution because of this.

    Instead of the House of Representatives being made up of representatives of single-member districts I think instead the House should use some kind of proportional system state-wide.

    This bull**** needs to end, and that's the only way I know of to do so.
    Two problems with this:

    It would be easy for a niche candidate to get support enough to get one seat in the legislature.

    The more serious problem is that there is no sense of constituency in such a system. Senate should be at large as it is, but the people's house should be single member districts so that the voters can identify a specific representative that represents them in the House.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So it's only ok when Northern states gerrymander their districts to concentrate minority voters?
    We certainly hope not. Here in Michigan, the Legislature went through redistricting and the process was controlled by the huge majorities that the GOP has in both houses and control of both the governorship and the state supreme court. When it came to redrawing State House seats, the GOP was clear - it was their goal and their intent and their plan to dilute minority voting strength by packing as many of them as they could into districts which were 85 to 95% minority. The Legislative Black Caucus presented a plan which would have preserved the number of what the law calls majority-minority districts at the current level but it was rejected since it would have allowed at least six Detroit based reps to wander across city boundaries and take on some of the suburban districts. The GOP said HELL NO to that.
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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    I kind of think that ultimately we'll go the way of a computer program, but so far, it doesn't seem like anybody has really nailed what a fair computer program would be.
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    There will never be a computer program used. Creating absolutely fair districts is not something that either Democrats or Republicans want. Both benefit from the current system, and both want to seize more power in the end.

    Take what we have in Minnesota, since I'm more familiar with that than in any other state. Michele Bachmann's district goes from the Wisconsin border up until it reaches halfway to North Dakota. There are 3 area codes in it. It is drawn in such a way to make sure that next to no Democrats live there. But, this benefits the Democrats too, as it contributes to the creation of safe Democratic districts such as Keith Ellison's district (Minneapolis needs to be represented too).

    In the end, both parties want things as they are. So.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    There will never be a computer program used. Creating absolutely fair districts is not something that either Democrats or Republicans want. Both benefit from the current system, and both want to seize more power in the end.

    Take what we have in Minnesota, since I'm more familiar with that than in any other state. Michele Bachmann's district goes from the Wisconsin border up until it reaches halfway to North Dakota. There are 3 area codes in it. It is drawn in such a way to make sure that next to no Democrats live there. But, this benefits the Democrats too, as it contributes to the creation of safe Democratic districts such as Keith Ellison's district (Minneapolis needs to be represented too).

    In the end, both parties want things as they are. So.....
    I think you are mostly correct on this. One thing that really hits home is that neither political party could afford a system where all elective offices at the state and national level are truly up for grabs because of the expense of mounting both a hotly contested primary and a equally hotly contested general election. For example, I managed a campaign here in Michigan for a State rep seat. There were nine candidates and we finished first with 36% of the vote. We raised and spent about $35k to do that - 90% of it from friends and family. All but $2K of it was used in the primary. And in the general we got 95% of the vote despite doing very little to actually campaign because it is a very safe democratic seat. Out of 110 State Rep seats in Michigan, about 80 are like that. Only about 30 are actually competitive to the point where they switch hands and are decided by five points or less.

    Neither party and the vast majority of candidates could afford it otherwise. Every politician fully realizes that. The party structure realizes that. And I suspect academics and reformers realize that also -although perhaps begrudgingly.
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    I've got an idea....get rid of districts period. One voice, one vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've got an idea....get rid of districts period. One voice, one vote.
    Could you explain how that would work in a State like Michigan where you currently have 110 rep districts and 38 Senate districts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Could you explain how that would work in a State like Michigan where you currently have 110 rep districts and 38 Senate districts?
    Should be pretty simple to figure out.

    Say you have 10 seats up for election with 20 people running for those seats. Since voting on computers is becomeing more and more popular it would make this process far more easier. Just have drop down menu's showing each persons name. Once one name is selected that name is removed from the rest of the drop down menu's for each of the following seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Should be pretty simple to figure out.

    Say you have 10 seats up for election with 20 people running for those seats. Since voting on computers is becomeing more and more popular it would make this process far more easier. Just have drop down menu's showing each persons name. Once one name is selected that name is removed from the rest of the drop down menu's for each of the following seats.

    One state, one voice, one vote.
    Not quite following this. Again, Michigan has 110 house seats across the state. Each district is about 70,000 people. I am not clear how my vote is cast or even who I am voting for?
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