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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Minorities tend to vote Democrat. Is it ok to violate the rights of white rural areas that go Republican?
    The VRA is racially neutral on paper. It protects all people against discrimination in voting based on their race, so white people certainly have successfully sued under the VRA if they were being discriminated against.

    But, some of the provisions kick into a higher level of scrutiny if the group asserting that they have been discriminated against by some practice or another has historically been the victim of discrimination or is a minority of voters in that state, so usually that is blacks and hispanics.

    That said though, who knows man, maybe some day it will be the other way around and your grandkids will be very happy the VRA is on the books to protect them.

    But, your point is still valid. If it favors Democrats, even if it has a noble purpose, that isn't fair. But, it isn't really clear that it favors Democrats. For example, nationwide, 95% of black voters voted for Obama, but only 43% of white voters. That means that very often, the best thing for the Democrats would actually be to spread the black voters around to a lot of white dominated districts where they could tip the scale for the Democrats. Instead of having 5 totally white districts vote for the Republican 57% to 43% and one totally black district that votes for the Democrat 95% to 5%, they would far prefer to have say 4 districts that were each 20% black, because then the Democrats would win all four instead of just one. Republicans actually are raising about the same number of voting rights act claims as democrats in the last 20 years or so.

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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what is the down side of having sprawling voting districts?
    Nothing necessarily. I'm saying that you would not get sprawling districts under the standard Centinel proposed, you would get what they call "spoke districts" where each district was part in the city and then going out like spokes in a wheel. Which isn't necessarily good or bad either, but you can see why some parties in some states would love that and some would hate it.
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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Thanks.

    Another option would be to entirely dump the idea of districts and have "at large" elections for congressmen. This would allow minorities to pool their votes, no matter where they live within a state.
    Yeah, proportional representation. IMO that's the way to go. That's what most first world countries do in one form or another.

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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Nothing necessarily. I'm saying that you would not get sprawling districts under the standard Centinel proposed, you would get what they call "spoke districts" where each district was part in the city and then going out like spokes in a wheel. Which isn't necessarily good or bad either, but you can see why some parties in some states would love that and some would hate it.
    what i don't understand is if there is nothing inherently wrong with having sprawling rural districts then why do we avoid creating them
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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    what i don't understand is if there is nothing inherently wrong with having sprawling rural districts then why do we avoid creating them
    We don't. Most states do sprawling rural districts. But Centinel was proposing a formula for how we could basically automate the process with a neutral standard rather than having politicians haggle it out each time and I was just pointing out that one of the effects of his proposal would be that you would get spoke districts instead of sprawling districts, which some parties would like in some states and hate in others and so on. So picking that standard would itself be kind of like the current gerrymandering process. That said, it would have the merit of only having to happen once, which is appealing...

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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Texas attempted to get a summary judgment against the US Attorney's office, and have it's redistricting plan implemented immediately. They got a rude awakening instead, when the court ruled that the plan's purpose was to dilute the voting strength of minorities. The Texas redistricting map has been thrown out, and the new map will be drawn by the court system.

    Here is the actual decision from the court.
    This has been a standard strategy of the GOP for decades now, since the minority voters represent the greatest threat to GOP dominance in the polls.

    I'm glad the courts saw through it. Voting needs to be fair.

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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Politicians, special interest groups, political groups, judges should have no say in redistricting. It should be based on population and nothing else. I think they should make a computer that redistricts.Race,political affiliations, religious affiliations and other unimportant **** like that should not be taken into account when redistricting.
    I agree. This kind of thing should be incredibly easy to put into a computer; just feed it the basic parameters you want (e.g. districts should be as contiguous and as square-shaped as possible) and let it randomly draw the districts. It's fundamentally anti-democratic for politicians to try to pick their constituents instead of the other way around.
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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Texas attempted to get a summary judgment against the US Attorney's office, and have it's redistricting plan implemented immediately. They got a rude awakening instead, when the court ruled that the plan's purpose was to dilute the voting strength of minorities. The Texas redistricting map has been thrown out, and the new map will be drawn by the court system.

    Here is the actual decision from the court.
    Seriously, I'm at the point where I think we should amend the Constitution because of this.

    Instead of the House of Representatives being made up of representatives of single-member districts I think instead the House should use some kind of proportional system state-wide.

    This bull**** needs to end, and that's the only way I know of to do so.
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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    This has been a standard strategy of the GOP for decades now, since the minority voters represent the greatest threat to GOP dominance in the polls.

    I'm glad the courts saw through it. Voting needs to be fair.
    I hate to tell you this, but it's not just the GOP that does this.

    Drawing congressional districts suck.

    On one hand, it's understandable to group Democrats together and Republican together so that way they can choose which of their own party to represent them. However, this causes skewed lines.

    On the other hand, making competitive districts of both Democrats and Republicans means that more moderate politicians would have to compete in those districts. But what it could also mean is that a number of constituents would be represented by a politician of the opposing party who may dismiss that constituent's concern automatically because of party politics.

    I think a multi-district proportional state-wide system would be better. After all, if I'm of one party and my Congressman is of the other party, I likely won't go to him because he wouldn't listen to me. Rather, I'd go to a Congressman who is of my own party. So let's just dispense with all the crap and do this in a sensible way.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Texas Redistricting Plan Thrown Out by Court

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    GOP attempts at voter manipulation has been rampant as of late. I s'pose the Koch Brothers were unable to buy the Texas judges. The GOP sure has been a joke these days but their jokes are about as funny as a fart in an elevator. Palin, Perry, Bauchmann, Cain, Santorum.... will the insanity ever end? LOL!!!

    And people STILL support the GOP? Has insanity taken over the masses? WTF?
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