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Not limiiting to military....therer are lots of ways to serve, and even some physically handicapped can serve. it is a gratitude thing, be grateful for how good we have it here in the USA...
I think most people 'serve' in some way in high school. Everyone I know had mandatory service hours in high school.

Even so, service as "showing gratitude for what we've got here" doesn't make much sense to me. Don't we pay for what we've got here? Don't we vote for what we've got here? Doesn't getting a job and an education sustain what we've got here? I could understand the sentiment if Americans weren't responsible for their country already and if we were getting our government for free, but we're not. The United States is what it is because it's citizens make it so already.
 
not all of them
I agree and I can understand having those people do service in exchange for whatever benefits they get - in fact, I think that would be great. But for those who are the ones who make this country what it is, I don't see any rationale for making them do service for what they already pay for in taxes and help build with education and employment.
 
I agree and I can understand having those people do service in exchange for whatever benefits they get - in fact, I think that would be great. But for those who are the ones who make this country what it is, I don't see any rationale for making them do service for what they already pay for in taxes and help build with education and employment.
I often blast conservatives for stupid remarks, but yours is the first from a liberal. Public education isn't paid in full on just your parents property taxes. Freedom from oppression isn't paid in full just because your tax dollars paid for the soldiers and their weapons.
I guess it is alright to let others do the dangerous stuff in your behalf as long as you have a job and pay taxes.
Veterans Day is Friday.....buy a poppy, that'll do it...
 
Not limiiting to military....therer are lots of ways to serve, and even some physically handicapped can serve. it is a gratitude thing, be grateful for how good we have it here in the USA...

And not just gratitude but a sense of being PART of something.

Seeing how govt actually WORKS.

Or how the poor or disabled actually live.

Or any number of other things that help humans actually understand themselves, others, and the world the live in.
 
I am against any conditions to be eligible to vote other than those set forth in the U.S. Constitution and I see no reason to change the Constitution in that regard.
 
I hate how people use association to portray a movement/figure/group.
As in OWS, people try to use veterans, seniors, politicians, famous people, etc... to gather support. Disgusting
 
I'm sure there are lots of investment banks salivating at the opportunity for privatized social security.
It worked in Other countries that have tried it. What do you have against people controlling their own money?
 
It worked in Other countries that have tried it. What do you have against people controlling their own money?
its a few people mismanaging the money of others that is the problem....
 
I often blast conservatives for stupid remarks, but yours is the first from a liberal. Public education isn't paid in full on just your parents property taxes. Freedom from oppression isn't paid in full just because your tax dollars paid for the soldiers and their weapons.
I guess it is alright to let others do the dangerous stuff in your behalf as long as you have a job and pay taxes.
Veterans Day is Friday.....buy a poppy, that'll do it...
It's funny you mention stupid comments because this one and your others seem incredibly stupid to me, but I suppose my desire for productive discussion prevented me from voicing my perceptions, but since you don't desire the same, I no longer have a rationale to respect your opinion.

First, I never said public education was paid in full by taxes.
Second, I thought you said the military was not the only way to "serve" so why are you writing as if "not doing the dangerous stuff" means that someone is not serving?
Third, why should people be do "service" for something that they themselves have worked to provide?
 
IF we privatize SS, the Wall Street sharks will get richer and richer on the backs of workers trying to save for retirement. There are too few regulations to protect the individual from these professional crooks. Even when we prosecute one of the crooks, the penalty/punishment is not enough to keep others from doing the same thing.
SS does work, but it was never meant to be the only income for retirees.
I see, so letting Congress spend your SS dollars is better? Boy have they done a bang up job.
 
It worked in Other countries that have tried it. What do you have against people controlling their own money?
They also guarantee a minimum payment amount and generally highly regulate who ever is handling their pension funds.

If those two factors are in place it wouldnt' enrage me. I do have to ask why exactly we're going to pay 2.5 or 3% costs on all retirment funds to a private entity.
 
people who are not willing to serve their country should not be allowed to vote....according to Robt. Heinlein....and I agree.
Getting an education and paying taxes is NOT serving...

Just.....WOW.
 
I see, so letting Congress spend your SS dollars is better? Boy have they done a bang up job.
My SS checks keep coming in, it hasn't defaulted yet......
 
Just.....WOW.
I had a neighbor ask me why I don't sing along when we sang patriotic songs in church. He asked if I had a problem with being patriotic.
I asked him when he served. He hadn't, got a deferrment. I told him I had, and was in-country Vietnam, had seen only a little of war, but it was enough to make me very aware of the sacrifices many have made. 3 of my closest friends died in the last year, all military, 2 were in-country Vietnam, one was WWII.
I CAN"T sing the songs, I get emotional just listening. I told him I don't need to hang a flag, I gave a lot of years to my country.
People who think that their civilian "sacrifice" compares to the dead, the crippled, the wounded, are hypocrites....
 
People who think that their civilian "sacrifice" compares to the dead, the crippled, the wounded, are hypocrites....

my service has, to date, cost me 3 rods, 2 metal plates, 9 screws and the sensation in 3 fingers on my left hand (and I am left handed). It chaps my ass to see someone claim that just by having a job and paying taxes they are "serving their country" or that just because they made it through 2 weeks of basic training before they washed out they are a veteran.
 
They also guarantee a minimum payment amount and generally highly regulate who ever is handling their pension funds.

If those two factors are in place it wouldnt' enrage me. I do have to ask why exactly we're going to pay 2.5 or 3% costs on all retirment funds to a private entity.

Do you pay that on your private retirement funds?
If so, you need to swap for ETF's or low cost mutual funds.

Paying that is highway robbery.
My ETF's are > 1% and my Mutual Funds are between >1.5%.
 
Shocking...idiots prattle on with the anti-republican banter (cuz...dur...thats ALL the OWS movement is about) and like minded morons agree (kinda cute though that the chubby one cant do anything more than waddle his arms like a penguin trying to fly). Golly...the democrats are pandering to the senior citizens??? What???When did THIS happen??? I am SO SHOCKED!!!

Wait...no I'm not. And typically...this gathering of morons, idiots, and assclowns (hey...Im no age discriminator-a moron is still a moron, even if they are on oxygen and a Rascal) represent the '99%' that elected who? You betcha...the largest recipients of the banker and broker dollars and the SOLE recipient of union campaign cash.

On the plus side...good for the old folks...it got them out of the retirement home, a nice bus ride, and an extra can of Ensure.
Same **** Different Day
 
Do you pay that on your private retirement funds?
If so, you need to swap for ETF's or low cost mutual funds.

Paying that is highway robbery.
My ETF's are > 1% and my Mutual Funds are between >1.5%.

I was basing those figure off this CBO report
Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad

The relevant portion
Finally, personal retirement accounts tend to cost more than a universal pension program such as Social Security. The Latin American countries studied had costs ranging from 2.5 percent to 3 percent of wages. In Australia, some funds achieved significant savings by bundling contributions from many employees and centralizing investments. But those savings come at the expense of restricting workers' choice among different investments. The following discussion details the six aspects of privatization that have relevance for the Social Security debate in the United States.
 
People who think that their civilian "sacrifice" compares to the dead, the crippled, the wounded, are hypocrites....
Giving your life is the ultimate sacrifice obviously, but that you think not serving in the military makes someone somehow unworthy of voting is delusional. Military members are not the only people who make this country what is. There are millions of people who make this country what it is and to deny those people the right to participate in the government of a country that not only affects them, but that they have also contributed to, some more than others is nonsensical.

If you think people who don't "serve" contribute so little to this country that don't have a right to have a voice in it's government, then get rid of them all and see how much country you have left to be grateful for.

And I know you said earlier that military service isn't the only way to "serve", but your comments since then have given a much different picture.
 
Giving your life is the ultimate sacrifice obviously, but that you think not serving in the military makes someone somehow unworthy of voting is delusional. Military members are not the only people who make this country what is. There are millions of people who make this country what it is and to deny those people the right to participate in the government of a country that not only affects them, but that they have also contributed to, some more than others is nonsensical.

If you think people who don't "serve" contribute so little to this country that don't have a right to have a voice in it's government, then get rid of them all and see how much country you have left to be grateful for.

And I know you said earlier that military service isn't the only way to "serve", but your comments since then have given a much different picture.
I have always maintained that even the handicapped can serve, and that there are ways other than the military. If you think I hve changed my views, prove it. Just because I agree with Heinlein doesn"t mean I think it will happen.
 
its a few people mismanaging the money of others that is the problem....

Life is risky, you cannot MAKE it unrisky. Gov't handling SS, and what happens? It's going broke.
 
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