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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I often blast conservatives for stupid remarks, but yours is the first from a liberal. Public education isn't paid in full on just your parents property taxes. Freedom from oppression isn't paid in full just because your tax dollars paid for the soldiers and their weapons.
    I guess it is alright to let others do the dangerous stuff in your behalf as long as you have a job and pay taxes.
    Veterans Day is Friday.....buy a poppy, that'll do it...
    It's funny you mention stupid comments because this one and your others seem incredibly stupid to me, but I suppose my desire for productive discussion prevented me from voicing my perceptions, but since you don't desire the same, I no longer have a rationale to respect your opinion.

    First, I never said public education was paid in full by taxes.
    Second, I thought you said the military was not the only way to "serve" so why are you writing as if "not doing the dangerous stuff" means that someone is not serving?
    Third, why should people be do "service" for something that they themselves have worked to provide?

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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    IF we privatize SS, the Wall Street sharks will get richer and richer on the backs of workers trying to save for retirement. There are too few regulations to protect the individual from these professional crooks. Even when we prosecute one of the crooks, the penalty/punishment is not enough to keep others from doing the same thing.
    SS does work, but it was never meant to be the only income for retirees.
    I see, so letting Congress spend your SS dollars is better? Boy have they done a bang up job.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    It worked in Other countries that have tried it. What do you have against people controlling their own money?
    They also guarantee a minimum payment amount and generally highly regulate who ever is handling their pension funds.

    If those two factors are in place it wouldnt' enrage me. I do have to ask why exactly we're going to pay 2.5 or 3% costs on all retirment funds to a private entity.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    people who are not willing to serve their country should not be allowed to vote....according to Robt. Heinlein....and I agree.
    Getting an education and paying taxes is NOT serving...
    Just.....WOW.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I see, so letting Congress spend your SS dollars is better? Boy have they done a bang up job.
    My SS checks keep coming in, it hasn't defaulted yet......
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Just.....WOW.
    I had a neighbor ask me why I don't sing along when we sang patriotic songs in church. He asked if I had a problem with being patriotic.
    I asked him when he served. He hadn't, got a deferrment. I told him I had, and was in-country Vietnam, had seen only a little of war, but it was enough to make me very aware of the sacrifices many have made. 3 of my closest friends died in the last year, all military, 2 were in-country Vietnam, one was WWII.
    I CAN"T sing the songs, I get emotional just listening. I told him I don't need to hang a flag, I gave a lot of years to my country.
    People who think that their civilian "sacrifice" compares to the dead, the crippled, the wounded, are hypocrites....
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    People who think that their civilian "sacrifice" compares to the dead, the crippled, the wounded, are hypocrites....
    my service has, to date, cost me 3 rods, 2 metal plates, 9 screws and the sensation in 3 fingers on my left hand (and I am left handed). It chaps my ass to see someone claim that just by having a job and paying taxes they are "serving their country" or that just because they made it through 2 weeks of basic training before they washed out they are a veteran.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    They also guarantee a minimum payment amount and generally highly regulate who ever is handling their pension funds.

    If those two factors are in place it wouldnt' enrage me. I do have to ask why exactly we're going to pay 2.5 or 3% costs on all retirment funds to a private entity.
    Do you pay that on your private retirement funds?
    If so, you need to swap for ETF's or low cost mutual funds.

    Paying that is highway robbery.
    My ETF's are > 1% and my Mutual Funds are between >1.5%.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Shocking...idiots prattle on with the anti-republican banter (cuz...dur...thats ALL the OWS movement is about) and like minded morons agree (kinda cute though that the chubby one cant do anything more than waddle his arms like a penguin trying to fly). Golly...the democrats are pandering to the senior citizens??? What???When did THIS happen??? I am SO SHOCKED!!!

    Wait...no I'm not. And typically...this gathering of morons, idiots, and assclowns (hey...Im no age discriminator-a moron is still a moron, even if they are on oxygen and a Rascal) represent the '99%' that elected who? You betcha...the largest recipients of the banker and broker dollars and the SOLE recipient of union campaign cash.

    On the plus side...good for the old folks...it got them out of the retirement home, a nice bus ride, and an extra can of Ensure.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Do you pay that on your private retirement funds?
    If so, you need to swap for ETF's or low cost mutual funds.

    Paying that is highway robbery.
    My ETF's are > 1% and my Mutual Funds are between >1.5%.
    I was basing those figure off this CBO report
    Social Security Privatization: Experiences Abroad

    The relevant portion
    Finally, personal retirement accounts tend to cost more than a universal pension program such as Social Security. The Latin American countries studied had costs ranging from 2.5 percent to 3 percent of wages. In Australia, some funds achieved significant savings by bundling contributions from many employees and centralizing investments. But those savings come at the expense of restricting workers' choice among different investments. The following discussion details the six aspects of privatization that have relevance for the Social Security debate in the United States.
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