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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Free For All View Post
    Yes, their sole purpose is to make the middle class life living hell... That's their whole purpose in life... Self serving? Do insurance industries not provide you with a service? Is it unfair for them to ask you for some of your money? If they provide you service... you pay. That's how things work, no?
    The middle class are more likely to be well insured. Ever ask your insurance company to find ways to lower your payments? They won't bring it up, you have to ask them. We change insurance companies about every 3 years as they get you in the door and then start jacking up the premiums.
    And why is it that insurance companies get a substantial discount when paying your covered medical bills, but you don't get a discount when paying your 20% ?
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am sorry that you don't know what "serve" means. DOes this help? And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it unto one of these my brethren, even these least, ye did it unto me. Matt chap 25....
    At times in our lives we should be able to help others in need, share a burden, join in a righteous cause. Occupy (name your place) is a good cause. It is being demonized by Fox News because it is the wealthy that benefits mostly from the efforts of others. Sharing the wealth within our borders is denigrated by the wealthy while our young, and not wealthy, sons and daughters fight and die on foreign soil so the rest of us can have a wonderful lifestyle here at home.
    I object to having them die for access to Arab oil, but it will continue because people here at home won't use less fuel so we can at least stop buying oil from our enemies in the Middle East...
    I fully realize that requiring service to vote will never happen, but I fully EXPECT that someday service will be considered an honor and a show of gratitude for the freedom and opportunites we enjoy.
    Wall Street, the bankers, Madison Ave., the insurance industries....all are self serving, they exist to exploit the middle class. That's you and me, pal, like it or not.
    While your condescension is noted and your assumption that I'm trying to distort your words rather than genuinely thinking you meant what I thought you did is also noted, I generally agree with the rest of your post.

    I know what "serve" means to me, but I was asking what it meant to you since you pretty much told me that "not doing the dangerous stuff" somehow made someone inferior.

    I agree that the Wall St., et al. are very self-serving, that Occupy is a good cause, that the current wars are not worth the blood of American soldiers and that certain people are exploiting the middle class. I also agree that "service" (what it means to me, since I'm still not clear on what it is to you) is valuable and should be a part of everyone's life though I do not believe it should be required for voting. But I do not agree with the way it appeared you were denigrating those who do not serve in the military and acting as if they (including me) are not capable of valuable service. If you didn't mean that, great. But the way you wrote certainly made it look that way.

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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    While your condescension is noted and your assumption that I'm trying to distort your words rather than genuinely thinking you meant what I thought you did is also noted, I generally agree with the rest of your post.

    I know what "serve" means to me, but I was asking what it meant to you since you pretty much told me that "not doing the dangerous stuff" somehow made someone inferior.

    I agree that the Wall St., et al. are very self-serving, that Occupy is a good cause, that the current wars are not worth the blood of American soldiers and that certain people are exploiting the middle class. I also agree that "service" (what it means to me, since I'm still not clear on what it is to you) is valuable and should be a part of everyone's life though I do not believe it should be required for voting. But I do not agree with the way it appeared you were denigrating those who do not serve in the military and acting as if they (including me) are not capable of valuable service. If you didn't mean that, great. But the way you wrote certainly made it look that way.
    Perhaps you misread? We all have our own "filters", a built in bias that tends to make us read/say things that reflect on our own experiences.
    To me, serving is working for our country for either no pay, or substantially lower pay than what the work would usually pay. Serving is giving up some of our time to do things for others.
    Everybody is capable of valuable service, even the handicapped. I see people with Downs syndrome working while my brother refuses to get a job, living off the govt and our parents. Our older and frail sister helps him fiancially, or used to, until he refused to do some simple chores for her, and said it is time for her to go into assisted living. He wants people to serve him, but he does not reciprocate.
    Serving is a selfless act, one that benefits the community at large.
    There are very few of us who are unable to serve, but many who are unwilling...
    Hope that clears it up....
    One more tidbit, there is a man near my Utah home who has a very lucrative contract with the govt, and as soon as the troops come home from the middle east, he will be unemployed. There are lots like him out there. They get rich off the sacrifices of other. I hope we can all find that objectionable. War profiteers will always be with us, I suppose.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I have always maintained that even the handicapped can serve, and that there are ways other than the military. If you think I hve changed my views, prove it. Just because I agree with Heinlein doesn"t mean I think it will happen.
    Heinlein himself in later life modified the premise of service for citizenship to include ANY service to the society as a whole.

    The term and concept of "pay it forward" also originates with Heinlein.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The middle class are more likely to be well insured. Ever ask your insurance company to find ways to lower your payments? They won't bring it up, you have to ask them. We change insurance companies about every 3 years as they get you in the door and then start jacking up the premiums.
    And why is it that insurance companies get a substantial discount when paying your covered medical bills, but you don't get a discount when paying your 20% ?
    You don't have to use their service. The problem is they are actually DOING you a favor if you like how it is being done or not and you know it or you wouldn't use them. What you are mostly mad about is the cost of care and that to the most part comes from 100 plus years of bad government policy directed at medical school, hospitals, doctors, medicine, and care.

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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts



    cue Howard.......
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    Damn socialist hippies!
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    no, it is not....it is an insurance program, not a retirement program, and the govt will fund it come hell or high water. Of course, they can also modify it, and probably will, to make us less dependent on it.
    It's in the RED.
    Social Security in the red this year

    Social Security will pay out more this year than it gets in payroll taxes, marking the first time since the program will be in the red since it was overhauled in 1983, according to the annual authoritative report released Thursday by the program’s actuary.
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rst-time-ever/

    It's not an insurance program, it's a PONZI SCHEME.

    The deficit will last through 2011, then an improving economy will put it back into balance for three years, then it will dip back into the red in 2015, the actuary said. The program has enough money in its trust fund to cover the annual deficit for two decades beyond that.
    OOPS.
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    Re: Seniors join Occupy Chicago rally to protest cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It's in the RED.



    It's not an insurance program, it's a PONZI SCHEME.



    OOPS.
    whatever it is, it will still be around when you and I are moldering in our graves....
    It might be modifed, perhaps even substantially, but it will be here....
    Once a govt program has gotten big, it is there for eternity....
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    Gray power! Senior sit-in:

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