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Paterno getting the boot at PennState

OscarB63 said:
OK, now McQueary is saying he DID talk to the police.



McQueary Penn State scandal: Mike McQueary says he did go to police - mcall.com

So either McQueary is a liar, or all the bashing of Paterno for "not doing enough" is bull**** because, if McQueary is being honest, there was no need for Paterno to report the incident to the cops since McQueary had already done so.
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He may be a liar, I can't say. But what he did has nothing to do with what paterno did or didn't do. The man worked for Paterno, continued to have access to the college, and paterno, as best we know, did little follow up. paterno himself said he didn't do enough. I respect Paterno's accomplishments. he was a great coach, and his emphasis on education was significant. But this did happen on his watch, and by his own admission, he could have done more.
 
Boo Radley said:
He may be a liar, I can't say. But what he did has nothing to do with what paterno did or didn't do. The man worked for Paterno, continued to have access to the college, and paterno, as best we know, did little follow up. paterno himself said he didn't do enough. I respect Paterno's accomplishments. he was a great coach, and his emphasis on education was significant. But this did happen on his watch, and by his own admission, he could have done more.
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you can always "do more" :shrug: point being, many people here have been bashing Paterno because he didn't call the cops. If McQueary is being honest, then that criticism of Paterno is invalid.
 
OscarB63 said:
you can always "do more" :shrug: point being, many people here have been bashing Paterno because he didn't call the cops. If McQueary is being honest, then that criticism of Paterno is invalid.
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I don't know if it's bashing, but I certainly would have called the cops. And I'd have dragged Snadusky out of the building by the hiar nad thrown him on the street until the police arrived.

But that si neither here nor there. The fact is there are laws, and if they broike laws, they will likely be charged eventually. And there is opinion, which follows few rules, and all concerned will be unable to change the perception, right or wrong.
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't know if it's bashing, but I certainly would have called the cops.
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even though, according to McQueary, the cops had already been called? what good would it have done to have called them again?

And I'd have dragged Snadusky out of the building by the hiar nad thrown him on the street until the police arrived.
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hard for Paterno to do since he wasn't there


but, as you said, neither here not there. I am just curious to see if anyone who was calling for Paterno's head for not calling the cops will apologize now that it appears that the cops had already been called.
 
OscarB63 said:
even though, according to McQueary, the cops had already been called? what good would it have done to have called them again?
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Continue the pressure.

hard for Paterno to do since he wasn't there


but, as you said, neither here not there. I am just curious to see if anyone who was calling for Paterno's head for not calling the cops will apologize now that it appears that the cops had already been called.
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Not for McQuery, whihc is who I was refering to.

However, Paterno was this fellow's boss. Would you let Sandusky stay employed? Have contnued access?
 
Boo Radley said:
Continue the pressure.
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pointless. once the cops have been notified, they are required to investigate. Paterno calling again would have accomplished nothing.



However, Paterno was this fellow's boss. Would you let Sandusky stay employed?
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IIRC Sandusky was retired, so he wasn't employed.


Have contnued access?
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IMHO, since he was retired, he had no reason to have inlimited/unescorted access at all
 
OscarB63 said:
pointless. once the cops have been notified, they are required to investigate. Paterno calling again would have accomplished nothing.
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We're still not sure they were notified. I don't think we can take McQuery's word on this.



IIRC Sandusky was retired, so he wasn't employed.
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True, though there were signs while he was employed. One might think Paterno would have been aware. But Sandusky kept ties to the university all the way along.

IMHO, since he was retired, he had no reason to have inlimited/unescorted access at all
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But he did.
 
Boo Radley said:
We're still not sure they were notified. I don't think we can take McQuery's word on this.
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which is why I qualified my statement with "if McQueary is being honest". If McQueary is a liar and he didn't call the cops, then Paterno either should have or insisted that McQueary do so.




True, though there were signs while he was employed. One might think Paterno would have been aware.
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aware of what? that Sandusky was a creeper? there were signs that michael jackson was a molestor for the last 25 years of his life. there is a difference between having suspicions and having evidence to present to the authorities.

But he did.
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and? that was not your question. you asked if I thought he should have had access, I said no. :shrug:


sorry, but as much as it may pain some people. you typically cannot fire someone because you suspect they might be doing something illegal/unethical. firing someone without proof is a good way to get sued for $$$$$
 
Paterno could have had Sandusky barred from campus. How he could watch this guy using the campus Paterno claimed he loved for his pursuits is beyond me.

The story is not complete. Maybe he tried, but I doubt that if Paterno wanted him gone he wouldn't have been.
 
1Perry said:
My question is whether he talked to the "police" or the campus police?
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according to what I saw he is claiming to have talked to both the "police" AND the head of campus police
 
1Perry said:
Paterno could have had Sandusky barred from campus. How he could watch this guy using the campus Paterno claimed he loved for his pursuits is beyond me.

The story is not complete. Maybe he tried, but I doubt that if Paterno wanted him gone he wouldn't have been.
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I am sure that Sandusky had the common sense not to act like a child rapist in front of Paterno. on what grounds, prior to this incident, could Paterno have had Sandusky barred from campus? vague suspicion is not sufficient
 
OscarB63 said:
I am sure that Sandusky had the common sense not to act like a child rapist in front of Paterno. on what grounds, prior to this incident, could Paterno have had Sandusky barred from campus? vague suspicion is not sufficient
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Paterno knew what this guy was. He didn't just "retire early".
 
1Perry said:
Paterno knew what this guy was.
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would be nice to see some actual proof of that.


He didn't just "retire early".
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FWIW, you can hardly consider retiring after coaching for 30 years to be "retiring early" not everyone wants to work until they are 85 years old
 
OscarB63 said:
even though, according to McQueary, the cops had already been called? what good would it have done to have called them again?
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You're telling me Mike McQueary has more status and more clout and more respect in that community for the cops to actually seriously look into something that could shake the very foundations of the thing that community is based on....Penn State Football...than Joe Paterno?

Sure, there should be less criticism on Paterno if he KNEW that McQueary told the cops...and we don't even know for sure IF McQueary told the cops at this point, let alone if Paterno knew he did.

Also, you're correct. People saying he should've fired him are off base because he wasn't employed at that time. However, Paterno absolutely could've barred him from using the locker room and the weight room and interacting with the football team in any kind of capacity.
 
OscarB63 said:
FWIW, you can hardly consider retiring after coaching for 30 years to be "retiring early" not everyone wants to work until they are 85 years old
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For what its worth, go look at the general age of many head coaches in big time college football and the pro's. The 40 to 60 year range is generally most common.

Not that I don't agree that its hard to really say that Paterno "knew" what he was after the initial 1998 allegations and all the things that happened. That's nothing but conjecture and one that can't really be determined without very anecdotal evidence...such as a guy who was a shoe in to take over for Joe Pa not having any offers for head coaching positions reported as coming his way...so making the claim as if its a certainty is a bit off base.

However, his age was hardly "old" in the realm of head coaches.
 
Zyphlin said:
You're telling me Mike McQueary has more status and more clout and more respect in that community for the cops to actually seriously look into something that could shake the very foundations of the thing that community is based on....Penn State Football...than Joe Paterno?

Sure, there should be less criticism on Paterno if he KNEW that McQueary told the cops...and we don't even know for sure IF McQueary told the cops at this point, let alone if Paterno knew he did.

Also, you're correct. People saying he should've fired him are off base because he wasn't employed at that time. However, Paterno absolutely could've barred him from using the locker room and the weight room and interacting with the football team in any kind of capacity.
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The indictment states (which is under oath) that McQueary never talked to the police.

The graduate student was never questioned by University Police and no other entity conducted an investigation until in Grand Jury if December 2010.

Does this absolutely rule out that he didn't talk to the actual police? No it doesn't but I refuse to believe that there is no record of it if he did and that they simply ignored him when he said he saw Sandusky raping a kid.
 
That does rather beggar belief, doesn't it?
 
Zyphlin said:
You're telling me Mike McQueary has more status and more clout and more respect in that community for the cops to actually seriously look into something that could shake the very foundations of the thing that community is based on....Penn State Football...than Joe Paterno?
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I'm telling you it doesn't matter. if it was reported, they have to investigate. if it was reported, continuing to claim that Paterno should have double tapped it just shows that the claimant has an axe to grind against paterno

However, Paterno absolutely could've barred him from using the locker room and the weight room and interacting with the football team in any kind of capacity.
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agreed, the guy was retired, he had no business hanging around anyway. if he still wanted to be involved, he shouldn't have retired.
 
OscarB63 said:
I'm telling you it doesn't matter. if it was reported, they have to investigate. if it was reported, continuing to claim that Paterno should have double tapped it just shows that the claimant has an axe to grind against paterno
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I'll grant that there could be more options but right now it seems one of two. Paterno told them that one of his assistants was buggering little boys and they did nothing, or, he didn't actually tell them.

I suppose it's possible that the entire police force is involved in the cover up but that would be stretching things pretty far right now IMO.
 
A central Pennsylvania police chief says his department did not receive a report from then-Penn State graduate assistant Mike McQueary related to an allegation of child sexual abuse against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky.

McQueary, now the Penn State wide receivers coach who was placed on administrative leave Friday, had told a friend in an email that in 2002 he stopped the alleged rape of a boy he thought to be about 10 years old and discussed the matter with police.


But State College police chief Tom King said Wednesday McQueary didn't make a report to his department.

"He didn't come to State College police. The crime happened on campus and we don't have jurisdiction on campus," King said. "We've had no reports (of Sandusky sexually abusing someone) from anybody."

The university also has its own police force, and said they have no record of any police report filed by McQueary


Police say they have no record of Penn State's Mike McQueary reporting assault - ESPN
 
I hope that the only reason McQueary has volunteered his heroic defense is because his attorney agreed.
 
Speaking of this fiasco. Did anyone hear about Sandusky's interview with Bob Costas? What the hell was Sandusky thinking, going into detail like that?
 
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