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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    That is a shame. While I may not be a fan of his or his team, according to the news articles I have seen, he did what he was supposed to do. It was supposedly brought to his attention and he passed the information on to those on the athletics board who were the ones who didn't take action. Should he have taken more actions himself? Where there even avenues and means for him to take other actions? These I don't know. I guess he could of also reported it to law enforcement.
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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Correct. He reported an eye witness account from a coaching assistant.



    Odd that it'd go to a prosecutor, not the police, isn't it?
    It's odd that JoePa would report to it to the athletic director when he's pretty much the most powerful guy on campus. Nominally the coach reports to the athletic director, but JoePa's not just any coach.
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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Love him or not...he deserved to get the boot...the abuse had been reported to him...

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    I'm trying to wrap my mind around what it is the man did wrong? He got wind of a problem. He reported the problem to his superiors. The superiors took it to local law enforcement (i.e. prosecutor) and the prosecutor is the one that denied any action. How is that Paterno's fault? He did exactly what he was supposed to do.
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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I'm trying to wrap my mind around what it is the man did wrong? He got wind of a problem. He reported the problem to his superiors. The superiors took it to local law enforcement (i.e. prosecutor) and the prosecutor is the one that denied any action. How is that Paterno's fault? He did exactly what he was supposed to do.
    He's not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing - there's no "mandatory reporting" law in Pennsylvania - but everyone involved, starting with assistant coach McQueary, the original witness, should have gone straight to the police first instead of waiting around for superiors to act. Also prosecutors =/= law enforcement.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    He's not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing - there's no "mandatory reporting" law in Pennsylvania - but everyone involved, starting with assistant coach McQueary, the original witness, should have gone straight to the police first instead of waiting around for superiors to act. Also prosecutors =/= law enforcement.
    What did they do wrong? The police knew. You don't just walk into a prosecutor's office and say "hey, we got this guy...". The prosecutor got involved because there was a police report. There had to be.

    What do you think a prosecutor does?
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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    What did they do wrong? The police knew. You don't just walk into a prosecutor's office and say "hey, we got this guy...". The prosecutor got involved because there was a police report. There had to be.

    What do you think a prosecutor does?
    There had to be? Then what exactly is the reason the AD and VP are being charged as well for attempting to seemingly cover this up? Is it unheard of that possibly a local prosecutor possibly went along with burying this thing because god forbid you cause problems in Happy Valley?

    No one is saying that Paterno did anything illegal. But "wrong"...yes, I think if you have one of your coaching assistants DIRECTLY seeing him ****ing a kid in the ass you don't just go to your superior, you go to the cops. And even if a prosecutor decides it'll be too hard to prosecute, you surely don't leave the person ON YOUR STAFF for another year.

    Somehow Jim Tressel knowing his players got some free tatoos is worthy of 5 games and his eventual termination, but doing the bare minimum under the law when you find out your D-Cordinator is ass-raping a 10 year old in your teams lockerroom is something that college football should shrug off. Then again, as I said earlier, I don't claim to understand what these schools, the conferences, or the NCAA are going to do or think when one coaches negligent actions even got a kid KILLED and that resulted in absolutely nothing.

    College Footballs just a beast and this is just one more tentacle of it, and 3 months from now it'll be ignored just as all the others are.

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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    There had to be? Then what exactly is the reason the AD and VP are being charged as well for attempting to seemingly cover this up? Is it unheard of that possibly a local prosecutor possibly went along with burying this thing because god forbid you cause problems in Happy Valley?

    No one is saying that Paterno did anything illegal. But "wrong"...yes, I think if you have one of your coaching assistants DIRECTLY seeing him ****ing a kid in the ass you don't just go to your superior, you go to the cops. And even if a prosecutor decides it'll be too hard to prosecute, you surely don't leave the person ON YOUR STAFF for another year.

    Somehow Jim Tressel knowing his players got some free tatoos is worthy of 5 games and his eventual termination, but doing the bare minimum under the law when you find out your D-Cordinator is ass-raping a 10 year old in your teams lockerroom is something that college football should shrug off. Then again, as I said earlier, I don't claim to understand what these schools, the conferences, or the NCAA are going to do or think when one coaches negligent actions even got a kid KILLED and that resulted in absolutely nothing.

    College Footballs just a beast and this is just one more tentacle of it, and 3 months from now it'll be ignored just as all the others are.
    No body is shrugging it off. You just misassigned the blame. Paterno did what was right. He cannot help that the system didn't do its job. What more could he have done? Shot the guy himself?
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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Idk the facts of the case. But I do know that sometimes people can be responsible for events even when the events are not their fault and even when they have done all that they could do. Perhaps this is one of those cases?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Paterno getting the boot at PennState

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No body is shrugging it off. You just misassigned the blame. Paterno did what was right. He cannot help that the system didn't do its job. What more could he have done? Shot the guy himself?
    Called the cops himself?

    If legal to fire in Pennsylvania without cause, fire him.

    Stop associating with him, stop letting him use the facilities.

    Joe Paterno was the most powerful person on that campus with regards to athletics. There's no reason all he could've, or should've, done was report it to the AD and that's that.

    Paterno isn't to blame for it happening, he's not guilty of it happening, but based on the facts that have came out so far morally I think there's a big gaping hole there.

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