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    Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    WASHINGTON — A conservative-leaning panel of federal appellate judges on Tuesday upheld President Barack Obama's health care law as constitutional, helping set up a Supreme Court fight.
    If a conservative panel of judges upholds Obamacare, then I am not so sure that SCOTUS is going to strike it down. I also have to ask, what in the hell is Conservative about the judges who made the ruling?

    Sure, we need health reform, but a mandate forcing everybody to have health insurance, whether or not they want it, has only one purpose.... To enrich insurance companies. Whatever you say about Obama, we do know one thing... He was bought long ago.

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    Re: Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    You have to have some way to address the uninsured. I don't put much stock in complaints about being made to be responsible. Stil, the courts wil settle that.

    However, this was not the best way to address it, and it does help insiurance companies far more than anyone else, and they have the nerve to raise premiums. That said, conservatives who demonized healthcare reform, including the entire death panel nonsense, must accept some of the blame. An honest discussion would have served us better.

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    Re: Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You have to have some way to address the uninsured. I don't put much stock in complaints about being made to be responsible. Stil, the courts wil settle that.

    However, this was not the best way to address it, and it does help insiurance companies far more than anyone else, and they have the nerve to raise premiums. That said, conservatives who demonized healthcare reform, including the entire death panel nonsense, must accept some of the blame. An honest discussion would have served us better.
    the debate should have begun with UHC. then the final compromise might have been something that actually helped people, like a hybrid public / private system where the insurance companies compete with medicare for customers and medicare has enough people enrolled that it can help to hold down prices.

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    Re: Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    If a conservative panel of judges upholds Obamacare, then I am not so sure that SCOTUS is going to strike it down. I also have to ask, what in the hell is Conservative about the judges who made the ruling?

    Sure, we need health reform, but a mandate forcing everybody to have health insurance, whether or not they want it, has only one purpose.... To enrich insurance companies. Whatever you say about Obama, we do know one thing... He was bought long ago.

    Article is here.
    Well, conservatives came up with the mandate in the first place if that helps you figure it out.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Well, conservatives came up with the mandate in the first place if that helps you figure it out.
    Conservatives did this? Interesting. You won't mind if I am a bit skeptical, would you?
    Conservatives believe that constitutionally limited governments are essential to the maintenance of liberty and freedom. Obamacare is the antithesis of limited government.

    If the supremes uphold this monster we will have to repeal it when we have a Conservative Republican President and a Senate controlled by Conservatives.

    Or we arm ourselves and prepare to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Conservatives did this? Interesting. You won't mind if I am a bit skeptical, would you?
    Conservatives believe that constitutionally limited governments are essential to the maintenance of liberty and freedom. Obamacare is the antithesis of limited government.

    If the supremes uphold this monster we will have to repeal it when we have a Conservative Republican President and a Senate controlled by Conservatives.

    Or we arm ourselves and prepare to fight.
    You can trace it back to the Heritage foundation. History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Health Care Reform - ProCon.org

    Really though, it was just brilliant lobbying by the insurance companies. In what could have threatened their existence had Democrats pushed for a single payer system, they managed to get a mandate that everyone has to buy their product. If Obama had gotten what he wanted, it would have had a public option and probably heavy subsidies for lower income Americans to pay for that public option.

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    Re: Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the debate should have begun with UHC. then the final compromise might have been something that actually helped people, like a hybrid public / private system where the insurance companies compete with medicare for customers and medicare has enough people enrolled that it can help to hold down prices.
    I agree. I certainly agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    You can trace it back to the Heritage foundation. History of the Individual Health Insurance Mandate, 1989-2010 - Health Care Reform - ProCon.org

    Really though, it was just brilliant lobbying by the insurance companies. In what could have threatened their existence had Democrats pushed for a single payer system, they managed to get a mandate that everyone has to buy their product. If Obama had gotten what he wanted, it would have had a public option and probably heavy subsidies for lower income Americans to pay for that public option.
    I can see that Republicans sponsored those precursor bills. I guess they were establishment republicans. They are the same kinds of people conservatives are fighting today for control of the party. An establishment Republican is just a little worse than a liberal democrat. At least we know that the liberal democrat is the enemy.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I can see that Republicans sponsored those precursor bills. I guess they were establishment republicans. They are the same kinds of people conservatives are fighting today for control of the party. An establishment Republican is just a little worse than a liberal democrat. At least we know that the liberal democrat is the enemy.

    Thank you.
    Apparently the republican is the enemy as well. Is there any way to disagree with someone with them being evil?

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    Re: Obama Health Care Reform Ruling: Appeals Court Upholds Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Apparently the republican is the enemy as well. Is there any way to disagree with someone with them being evil?
    I did not say they were evil. I said that conservatives are fighting them for control of the Republican party. If we lose I suspect there will be a third party and the Republican party will end.

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