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New Woman Accusing Herman Cain Of Sexual Harassment Hires Gloria Allred

friday said:
Isn't Allred the lawyer who sued the boyscouts because they wouldn't let a girl in? I kinda think she is just an over the top liberal feminist. I have a hard time taking her too seriously. At any rate, if Cain did try to rape this woman, all he has to do is switch parties and he's fine. In fact, that gives him Democrat street cred.
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Good to see that the Conservative persecution complex is still intact.

I guess if you call impeachment a free pass, then Clinton got one. Otherwise, I'd be inclined to say not so much.

(Before a bunch of ill-informed Cons start in with "He wasn't impeached," he was. "Impeachment" is the accusation. Removal from office is something else.)
 
Frolicking Dinosaurs said:
I hope you GOP types are reconsidering that idea about Cain being in the VP slot.

Having investigated a lot of sexual abuse, I can tell you that when one person breaks the silence, victims often are empowered to do the same. I would like to know if the stories' details are similar. Several women who do not know each other but are reporting very similar actions over a long span of time is a 'he's guilty' slam-dunk in my book.
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What "very similar actions"? One lady said that Cain made a reference to her height that supposedly had a sexual tone to it because of the height at which he held his hand, and this lady said Cain tried to push her head into his crotch and reached under her clothing to touch her genitals. That doesn't seem at all similar to me, really. One seems more likely to be a misunderstood joke, while the other is borderline sexual assault. The details of the other two women have not (according to all articles I've read) been released.
 
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tessaesque said:
this lady said Cain tried to push her head into his crotch and reached under her clothing to touch her genitals.
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But doesn't that give you at least a little pause? For all of people's attempts to bring Bill Clinton into this, by all accounts Monica Lewinsky was a willing participant. That is different right there. Unless this person said "Herman, I love it when you push my head into your crotch and grope me."

while the other is borderline sexual assault.
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If indeed that's what happened, I'd call it more than "borderline."
 
tessaesque said:
What "very similar actions"? One lady said that Cain made a reference to her height that supposedly had a sexual tone to it because of the height at which he held his hand, and this lady said Cain tried to push her head into his crotch and reached under her clothing to touch her genitals. That doesn't seem at all similar to me, really. One seems more likely to be a misunderstood joke, while the other is borderline sexual assault. The details of the other two women have not (according to all articles I've read) been released.
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Lets not forget the two women that were paid off
 
rocket88 said:
But doesn't that give you at least a little pause? For all of people's attempts to bring Bill Clinton into this, by all accounts Monica Lewinsky was a willing participant. That is different right there. Unless this person said "Herman, I love it when you push my head into your crotch and grope me."



If indeed that's what happened, I'd call it more than "borderline."
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I'm not comparing Clinton to Cain, so while I get your point, it isn't really relevant to what I was saying. Cain's issues are Cain's issues, but I can't tar and feather the guy over 14 year old accusations (especially accusations as extreme as lucky lady #4). It makes no sense to me why a woman in #4's position wouldn't have said something right then and there. The president of the NRA (not guns) is high profile enough that it would have made news if she'd started the witch hunt in the 90s, especially since he was a successful black man, and plenty of racist tards would have been glad to lead the charge. Waiting 14 years to come out with such serious charges against him seems....fishy.
 
lpast said:
Lets not forget the two women that were paid off
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I mentioned them in the last sentence: "The details of the other two women have not (according to the articles I've read) been released." Being paid off, though, does not indicate guilt in any sense. Most large organizations will settle a claim like this (or accident claims, injury claims, etc) rather than take it to court. If they settle, they can usually control the flow of information and limit the exorbitant payouts that juries often grant in a civil trial scenario. It makes more sense from a business stand point to offer money in exchange for dropping the issue.

I can tell you this, though: If I'm legitimately harassed and made to feel uncomfortable I'm not settling for a year's salary.
 
American said:
Has anything at all been proven yet? Sounds like all we have is allegations.
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cain has already proven himself to be a pathetic imp solely w/his career choice: junk food executive. He never had the courage to choose a meaningful path in life but merely sucked whatever corporate **** was in front of him to make more $$.

Now there are accusations that he wanted others to do the same to him.

Frankly, in the absence of any damning evidence against the accuser, I believe her, based solely on cain's lack of character as demonstrated by his profession.
 
tessaesque said:
I mentioned them in the last sentence: "The details of the other two women have not (according to the articles I've read) been released." Being paid off, though, does not indicate guilt in any sense. Most large organizations will settle a claim like this (or accident claims, injury claims, etc) rather than take it to court. If they settle, they can usually control the flow of information and limit the exorbitant payouts that juries often grant in a civil trial scenario. It makes more sense from a business stand point to offer money in exchange for dropping the issue.



I can tell you this, though: If I'm legitimately harassed and made to feel uncomfortable I'm not settling for a year's salary.
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I would but im such a slut :)
 
tessaesque said:
I mentioned them in the last sentence: "The details of the other two women have not (according to the articles I've read) been released." Being paid off, though, does not indicate guilt in any sense. Most large organizations will settle a claim like this (or accident claims, injury claims, etc) rather than take it to court. If they settle, they can usually control the flow of information and limit the exorbitant payouts that juries often grant in a civil trial scenario. It makes more sense from a business stand point to offer money in exchange for dropping the issue.

I can tell you this, though: If I'm legitimately harassed and made to feel uncomfortable I'm not settling for a year's salary.
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It's true that the amount of the payoff would demonstrate the credibility of the accusations, but that amount hasn't been made public.
 
solletica said:
cain has already proven himself to be a pathetic imp solely w/his career choice: junk food executive. He never had the courage to choose a meaningful path in life but merely sucked whatever corporate **** was in front of him to make more $$.

Now there are accusations that he wanted others to do the same to him.

Frankly, in the absence of any damning evidence against the accuser, I believe her, based solely on cain's lack of character as demonstrated by his profession.
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The first part of your post is just a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. The man created success where failure had existed before, successfully completed a fairly challenging degree program at a pretty damned good school (even though his parents could ill afford to help him gain an education, and EOE/AA hadn't been pushed through quite yet), and served in the military. You wanna go all crazy-critical over the fact that he found success in the fast food industry? One of the largest employing bodies in the entire world? Where most high school kids get their start?
 
tessaesque said:
The first part of your post is just a bunch of ridiculous nonsense. The man created success where failure had existed before,
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The only "success" he created was making junk food companies richer. Hardly something of which to be proud :rolleyes:

tessaesque said:
successfully completed a fairly challenging degree program at a pretty damned good school (even though his parents could ill afford to help him gain an education, and EOE/AA hadn't been pushed through quite yet)
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. . and did nothing meaningful w/his degrees.

tessaesque said:
, and served in the military.
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. . .another one of Uncle Sam's submissive camoflauged jocks used to fulfill the political whims of politicians and/or the oil cos. backing them, at the expense of taxpayers.

tessaesque said:
You wanna go all crazy-critical over the fact that he found success in the fast food industry?
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There's nothing to go crazy over, consider that success in the junk food industry amounts to nothing .

Is there any Dad out there that would be proud to tell his kids that his job in life was being in charge of selling Big Macs? If there is, he needs immediate psychological help.

Greasy Cheeseburger, fries and crappy pizza is OK as a temporary job (i. e. in high school and/or college) but not as a final career path. If that's all someone ends up doing in life, then he's a loser.

tessaesque said:
One of the largest employing bodies in the entire world? Where most high school kids get their start?
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. . .and hopefully never finish :)
 
So I got to ask, why hasn't anyone come out and posted that the accurers are "racist"? Is it because Cain is not a Democrat?:3oops:

It bothers me when SH cases just happen to come out during run for office. 14 years is way to long to wait. There has to be more to the motivation than what is being reported.
 
this will probably end him as a candidate... but meh, i don't care.... i wasn't going to vote for him anyways.... and now I certainly wouldn't vote for him, I don't vote for people with bad character.

I thought Democrats and Liberals didn't mind this sort of stuff?... they've been telling me for years that the private lives of politicians is private and shouldn't count against them.
it's a good thing I knew all along that was a lie.
 
Thrilla said:
this will probably end him as a candidate... but meh, i don't care.... i wasn't going to vote for him anyways.... and now I certainly wouldn't vote for him, I don't vote for people with bad character.

I thought Democrats and Liberals didn't mind this sort of stuff?... they've been telling me for years that the private lives of politicians is private and shouldn't count against them.
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Consensual sex, as opposed to harrassment, is a private matter.

Thanks for playing.
 
an excellent point and a distinction with a big difference.
 
tessaesque said:
I'm not comparing Clinton to Cain, so while I get your point, it isn't really relevant to what I was saying. Cain's issues are Cain's issues, but I can't tar and feather the guy over 14 year old accusations (especially accusations as extreme as lucky lady #4). It makes no sense to me why a woman in #4's position wouldn't have said something right then and there. The president of the NRA (not guns) is high profile enough that it would have made news if she'd started the witch hunt in the 90s, especially since he was a successful black man, and plenty of racist tards would have been glad to lead the charge. Waiting 14 years to come out with such serious charges against him seems....fishy.
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I see where you're coming from. Of course Gennifer Flowers waited until Clinton was running for President...and you'd think Governor of Arkansas is fairly high profile.

I just don't see how everybody even vaguely right is saying it's definitely false. Obviously we don't know for sure, but a pattern sure seems to be emerging.
 
mike2810 said:
So I got to ask, why hasn't anyone come out and posted that the accurers are "racist"? Is it because Cain is not a Democrat?:3oops:

It bothers me when SH cases just happen to come out during run for office. 14 years is way to long to wait. There has to be more to the motivation than what is being reported.
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People saying things like this is screaming "don't take me seriously." To be perfectly blunt, the whole "persecution of Conservatives" is getting very old very fast.

Playing the race card? Really? For the accusations of liberals playing the race card all the time, ever since Cain's profile has gone up I've seen it almost exclusively from the right.
 
solletica said:
Consensual sex, as opposed to harrassment, is a private matter.

Thanks for playing.
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yeah... there's always an excuse/reason for why liberals and Democrats suddenly care.


I'm off the mind that it does matter... married dudes schtooping chicks they aren't married to is a firm sign of a bad character... sexual harrassment is another ( and a crime)... men in powerful positions schtooping chicks they aren't married to is another.
congresscritters soliciting sex form prostitutes or from dudes in bathrooms stalls ... yup, that too.
consistency is a character virtue to me as well, which is why every time some sort of sex scandal arises I harp on it with folks who are not consistent in their criticisms.


you can take your 'thanks for playing" and shove it... learn to be civil or simply just don't talk to me.
 
BamaBrat said:
Sexual harassment, is intimidation, bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.

Having said that.... this of course cannot be considered workplace sexual harrassment because she wasnt working with or for Cain..... but his comment, if true, about "ya want a job, right?" implies the promise of reward.
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She also had to refer to him as "Godfather" during the ordeal.
 
tessaesque said:
I'm not comparing Clinton to Cain, so while I get your point, it isn't really relevant to what I was saying. Cain's issues are Cain's issues, but I can't tar and feather the guy over 14 year old accusations (especially accusations as extreme as lucky lady #4). It makes no sense to me why a woman in #4's position wouldn't have said something right then and there. The president of the NRA (not guns) is high profile enough that it would have made news if she'd started the witch hunt in the 90s, especially since he was a successful black man, and plenty of racist tards would have been glad to lead the charge. Waiting 14 years to come out with such serious charges against him seems....fishy.
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What are the chances of her getting a job in that circle after that? How many other powerful man in politics thought it was okay what she alleges Cain did? It's the same story with people who are sexually assaulted. They question if what happened just happen, if it was really over the line, something to make a big deal of, or maybe they are overly sensitive, and they feel that the person who did these things have certain power over them - the person who did this would probably feel they have power over the victim as well, that's why they dared do it. It's the same with rape and sexual abuse. It takes courage to be the first to make the accusation and bear the consequences.

Having said that - we don't know if the accusations are true or not. But we can't dismiss this woman just because she didn't make it public at the time that it happened.
 
Thrilla said:
yeah... there's always an excuse/reason for why liberals and Democrats suddenly care.
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Same reason it's always been. Harrassment is bad; consensual sex is not. :rolleyes:

Thrilla said:
I'm off the mind that it does matter... married dudes schtooping chicks they aren't married to is a firm sign of a bad character... sexual harrassment is another ( and a crime)... men in powerful positions schtooping chicks they aren't married to is another.
congresscritters soliciting sex form prostitutes or from dudes in bathrooms stalls ... yup, that too.
consistency is a character virtue to me as well, which is why every time some sort of sex scandal arises I harp on it with folks who are not consistent in their criticisms.
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Cite examples of individuals who aren't consistent in their criticisms.

Thrilla said:
you can take your 'thanks for playing" and shove it... learn to be civil or simply just don't talk to me.
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You used a Limbaugh-esque "argument" to make your point, and predictably lost.
 
solletica said:
She also had to refer to him as "Godfather" during the ordeal.
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Did she have to kiss his 'ring'? I wonder if he did the orange rind in the mouth bit to make her laugh?
 
solletica said:
Same reason it's always been. Harrassment is bad; consensual sex is not. :rolleyes:



Cite examples of individuals who aren't consistent in their criticisms.



You used a Limbaugh-esque "argument" to make your point, and predictably lost.
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having a tough time comprehending " .. learn to be civil or simply don't talk to me"?
 
mike2810 said:
You should also consider what was acceptable behavior in the workplace when the event took place. To apply todays SH standards to something 20 years ago is not realistic.
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It wasn't that long ago. It was around 1999... long after sexual standards in the workplace were required to be in compliance with federal regs. You should have seen the misogynistic workplace zoo that existed in the 1970's and early 1980's. That was bad.
 
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