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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I got chicken pox when I was 24. Not a pretty sight. Ran a temp of 104.
    Gosh I hope I never get it. Never had it as a kid, really don't want to get it as an adult.
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I already knew what herpes zoster is and that adults get it in the form of shingles, it just doesn't happen that often and it's mostly related to autoimmune disorder which causes the herpes to become active again. And guess what one potential factor is in auto-immune disease? How many vaccines you've had. The research is still preliminary but I find it interesting.

    And can we please not turn this into another thread where I get attacked by you and your OCD authoritarian cohorts who think I shouldn't have the right to said no to a medical procedure? I said no already, so back the hell off.
    If you do not want to "get attacked" REFERENCE what you are saying and ensure it is correct - and do not make statements that are incorrect such as "chickenpox gives a lifetime immunity" because I WILL attack statements like that

    Just like you have not bothered to reference what you have posted above - and I can bet why - most probably because you have it from one of the anti-vaccine sites

    Meantime here is more about Shingles

    Complications

    Sometimes, the pain in the area where the shingles occurred may last for months or years. This pain is called postherpetic neuralgia. It occurs when the nerves have been damaged after an outbreak of shingles. Pain ranges from mild to very severe pain. It is more likely to occur in people over 60 years.

    Other complications may include:

    Another attack of shingles

    Blindness (if shingles occurs in the eye)

    Deafness

    Infection, including encephalitis or sepsis (blood infection) in persons with weakened immune systems

    Bacterial skin infections

    Ramsay Hunt syndrome if shingles affected the nerves in the face
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001861/
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post


    I have never seen a more perfect example of how modern civilization is interfering in the process of natural selection. Because this collection of gullible, sap-witted mental defectives believes that vaccines are "too dangerous" they are instead opting to deliberately infect their children with live strains of the diseases that they have purchased from strangers online for more money than the "greedy pharmacorps" are charging.

    I, for one, cannot ****ing wait until we have a vaccine for the HIV virus.
    Its one thing when a child gets chicken pox on their own and its another when a parent deliberate gives their children chicken pox. **** like these lollipops should be illegal.
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    If you do not want to "get attacked" REFERENCE what you are saying and ensure it is correct - and do not make statements that are incorrect such as "chickenpox gives a lifetime immunity" because I WILL attack statements like that

    Just like you have not bothered to reference what you have posted above - and I can bet why - most probably because you have it from one of the anti-vaccine sites

    Meantime here is more about Shingles


    Shingles - PubMed Health
    My aunt had shingles after age 40, and she contracted chicken pox as an adult. Earlier I was talking about children having it. But thanks for the lecture nonetheless. No thread referencing vaccinations is complete without you yelling at me.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    So the anti-vaxer parents believe live VZV is safer than dead VZV.

    You know, I understand that some people haven't taken immunology, but when kids suffer because of a parent's willful ignorance, it just pisses me off.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Picks up jaw from floor and closes mouth

    WHAAAAAT?????

    And of course the idiot twonks will be bringing their infected children into the EDs and hospitals to put at risk all the immune deficient people there

    Sorry but this is where the "right to free speech" that the anti-science crowd are exploiting, often for their own gain, should be mitigated by an international law on "false advertising"
    Parents deliberately exposing their children to chicken pox and measles has been going on for a loooong time...mostly, I'm sure, before there were vaccinations for the disease. Getting either one as an adult is much more severe than getting them as children.

    I can understand why some parents are hesitant to give their children these vaccines since there is some slight evidence that connects the vaccines with autism. The CDC says that one in 110 children has autism. WTF? Why? CDC - Features - How Many Children have Autism - NCBDDD

    The professionals "for" vaccines tell us that this high diagnosis rate is because of better detection. But higher risk from these vaccines cannot be ruled out. What's a parent to do? It's a bit scarey.

    Personally, I think autism has become fashionable. It's over-diagnosed by a system that is $$-incentivized to have more and more students needing special services. Not too much different from the bi-polar craze.
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Yes - it is a bit scary . . . but the prospect of side effects became less scary for me than the prospect of my children dying of one of those diseases - in my state we've had recent outbreaks of Measles and Whooping Cough . . . among other things.

    Per the tainted lollies: I never understood the thought process of parents who intentionally infect tehir children with anything. When I was a kid pox-parties were big. thankfully my parents were respectful enough of me to not send me off to one in the hopes I'd come down with it.

    Who does that? Like - ever? What type of person WANTS their child to contract an illness, condition or disease? A little twisted. It goes against parenting - I think. I protect my children FROM conditions - I don't want them to CONTRACT conditions.
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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Gosh I hope I never get it. Never had it as a kid, really don't want to get it as an adult.
    i didn't get it as a kid, either.

    at 19, i caught it after being in the same car with a child who had it. the year before the vaccine came out. it sucked.

    get the vaccine. you don't want this stuff as an adult. acyclovir pills helped a little, but not much.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Parents deliberately exposing their children to chicken pox and measles has been going on for a loooong time...mostly, I'm sure, before there were vaccinations for the disease. Getting either one as an adult is much more severe than getting them as children.

    I can understand why some parents are hesitant to give their children these vaccines since there is some slight evidence that connects the vaccines with autism. The CDC says that one in 110 children has autism. WTF? Why? CDC - Features - How Many Children have Autism - NCBDDD

    The professionals "for" vaccines tell us that this high diagnosis rate is because of better detection. But higher risk from these vaccines cannot be ruled out. What's a parent to do? It's a bit scarey.

    Personally, I think autism has become fashionable. It's over-diagnosed by a system that is $$-incentivized to have more and more students needing special services. Not too much different from the bi-polar craze.
    the "connection" was a hoax invented by andrew wakefield. it has been refuted over and over again, and his publications have been thrown out.

    vaccines aren't causing autism. but preventable diseases are causing deaths. it's not a scary choice, it's a simple one.

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    Re: Mailing Chickenpox Lollipops and Other Infected Items is Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the "connection" was a hoax invented by andrew wakefield. it has been refuted over and over again, and his publications have been thrown out.

    vaccines aren't causing autism. but preventable diseases are causing deaths. it's not a scary choice, it's a simple one.
    From the CDC link I posted:

    No single factor explains the changes in identified ASD prevalence over the time period studied. Although some of the increases are due to better detection, a true increase in risk cannot be ruled out.
    Where has the CDC stated that vaccinations have been ruled out? They don't. They just keep repeating that they're safe. Yet they also say this:

    At present, we do not know definitively if vaccines can trigger neurological or developmental declines among children with mitochondrial disorders. We do know, however, that infections can cause neurological and developmental declines among these children—and we also know that childhood vaccinations protect children against some of the same infections known to cause developmental decline among children with mitochondrial disorders. These include vaccine-preventable diseases like measles, chickenpox and influenza.

    In the case of children with mitochondrial disorders, we do not yet have sufficient evidence to make general immunization recommendations. Physicians who care for children with these disorders usually recommend that these children receive their childhood vaccines, but depending on the child's health status or medical condition, they may change when those vaccinations are provided.
    Children are not checked for mitochondrial disorders before they are vaccinated; yet many have suggested all children be tested for these disorders before being vaccinated. What the CDC says, basically, is that the possible elevated risk is worth the benefit. This is some small consolation to the parents of the 2,100 children who received payouts under the Vaccine Injury Program.

    http://www.cdc.gov/news/2008/03/VaccineQuestions.html

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